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[–] ModestMeme@lemm.ee 154 points 4 days ago (30 children)

I just want to take a moment to say the “Biden was no better than Trump” crowd can go fuck themselves.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How about "America has always been a shit show, and Trump is the parody version"?

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[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

These things are always so annoying and uncritical. They are not wrong that the democrats are a conservative party, but that is still where the current progressive movement lives.

I think there is a bit of a trap in seeing the maga rise as a monolith, but I think there are two main wings. The evangelical side and the libertarian side. They might have some overlap, but their motivations and goals are still rather distinct. The important take away for this short essay of sorts is that they have agreed on enough points to move the overton window to get large parts of what they want. For the evangelicals it is abortion bans and ten commandments in schools. In the libertarian wing it is DOGE (inspired by the libertarian president in argentina)

Tankies and others who say “Biden was no better than Trump” are really messing up our ability to have a leftist/progressive party. In either growing it with-in the dems or starting from scratch. I want to understand what they are saying, but it is frustrating how unserious they are in actually achieving goals.

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[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 3 days ago

No no, you see, voting for Biden would be voting for this too, somehow. Because they are part of the same system, or something? Both sides same and all that.

Honestly the mental gymnastics are too much for me to effectively work out into a distilled comment.

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[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago

"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people. "- Admiral Adama

[–] unreliable@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you are in USA, is a good time to downloading an "Black bloc manual" in some offline storage

[–] modus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 143 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Funny how he doesn't hesitate here, but when Congress was literally in danger of being fucking lynched on Jan 6, he didn't do shit.

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[–] mhague@lemmy.world 114 points 4 days ago (1 children)

These people are protesting against extrajudicial deportation, deporting children, harassing legal immigrants, the Nazi government, etc.

It's not a fucking immigration protest. They didn't deploy the military for immigration protests. People spoke out against Nazis and the military was called in.

[–] pleasegoaway@lemm.ee 31 points 3 days ago

Yeah, it’s no longer an “immigration protest”. It’s a NAZI protest.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 50 points 3 days ago (16 children)

I'm not actually surprised that the second american civil war starts in California. Cali always seemed like the most progressive state.

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[–] loaf@sh.itjust.works 284 points 4 days ago (4 children)

“The Trump Administration has a zero tolerance policy for criminal behavior …”

Dude that’s your entire administration. Have some self-awareness, you orange, sagging, coffin dodging oxygen thief.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 112 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Who, Trump the thirty-two times felon?

[–] AreaKode@lemmy.world 95 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Never met the guy. We're talking the 34 felony convicted man.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 213 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It has begun. Trump unleashing the army against the population fighting against his gestapo.

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 82 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I am very fearful that many protesters will be murdered in the coming days.

And things will deteriorate quickly

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[–] AngrySquirrel@lemm.ee 66 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said in a post on X that the Defense Department is "mobilizing the National Guard IMMEDIATELY to support federal law enforcement in Los Angeles. And, if violence continues, active duty Marines at Camp Pendleton will also be mobilized — they are on high alert." ~ABC News

They are already threatening to send in Marines...

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 72 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They've been jerking themselves off to deploying the military against California for decades. This is their fantasy come true and they can hardly wait.

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[–] Hikuro93@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

Oh no worries. Trump is such a fan of insurrections he hands out pardons by the thousands for them - every single pardon personally signed by him, and totally not by autopen, I'm sure.

Seriously, though. Can't wait for him to cry victim and pull a surprised pikachu when all this pushback to his antagonization makes it to the steps of the White House. Hope he keeps the surprised face until the bitter end, and that end can't come soon enough.

[–] refract@lemmy.dbzer0.com 67 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (16 children)

If you don't own a gun, its time to get one, regardless of your stance on them. This is martial law without having to call it that.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/06/department-of-defense-security-for-the-protection-of-department-of-homeland-security-functions/

[–] pleasegoaway@lemm.ee 29 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Gavin Newson specifically said that he did not ask for or need the 2,000 troops and that sending to LA would only make things worse.

Sooo, there’s that.

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[–] shaquilleoatmeal@lemm.ee 22 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I’m afraid he’ll declare martial law. What happens if he does?

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

We all know what it takes to remove fascists from power

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There would probably be no consequences for him, but the "martial law" would probably be ignored and not happen.

As I understand it, in the US, martial law can only legally happen if the courts are unable to function. Basically, if things are so bad courts are unable to judge people, you let the military judge them.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The law hasn't mattered so far. It is illegal for him to deploy the National Guard without the governor's consent, which was not given. Not only was it now given, but Trump went out of his way to denounce the governor while illegally deploying the National Guard.

The US is no longer operating within the constitution, it is operating under the appearance of one, an appearance that falls apart the closer you look at it.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

What you say and what I say don't contradict. ICE is already acting as if martial law was declared, ignoring due process/habeas corpus. If Trump declared martial law, those that still follow laws, constitution and the courts would keep doing so and those that follow Trumps orders above all would also keep doing so. There would be no substantial change.

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[–] chuymatt@startrek.website 12 points 3 days ago

Zero consequences, as usual.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago

Repeat after me: A government that is bluntly sending weapon to bomb kids have no concern of it is own citizen.

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 132 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Whatever side of this issue you fall on, you should at least know that, tactics-wise, joining with the LAPD to do raids in Eastside LA is not going to work how you think it will. There’s movies, albums, books, historic moments in living memory, etc. that warn about that. Start in Sacramento or wherever. Don’t expect East LA to care about your “authority.”

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 109 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

The powerful and their goons seem to have forgotten that sure they can roll up anywhere with an army and overpower protesters, but that's not going to solve this. It's just going to start a true resistance.

There have been few times in history where resistance forces have fought state forces on an open battlefield.

As seen historically, a typical resistance force will harrass the enemy. Bomb their buildings, stockpiles, and infrastructure. Wait until the state goons are alone, at their homes, at the bar, in a grocery store and then that's when they kill them.

All sending the national gaurd in to kill protesters will result in is a true resitance forming.

The powerful have forgotten what it was like to be afraid to leave their fortresses

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[–] HorseTesselator@midwest.social 102 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (24 children)

Maybe a bit of a hot take, but I think Trump is also doing this at least partly to distract from his spat with Musk's Epstein implications. Not to mention Trump's upcoming parade. Also, keep in mind that 2,000 Nat'l guard troops is surprisingly low, especially for an area the size of L.A. In '92 they brought in almost 10,000.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't nervous about this, too, but personally I believe people need to keep their cool, here. I'm seeing a lot of doom spiraling and panicking all over the place online and we need to be mindful of how this affects us mentally and emotionally.

We're in the long game.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 57 points 4 days ago (4 children)

There is a good reason not to follow unconstitutional orders.

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[–] damdy@lemm.ee 61 points 4 days ago (4 children)

This is actually insane. Bringing tanks to a knife fight... except it's not even a knife fight it's a thumb war. This is going to cause country wide rioting and Trump's only recourse will be to further up the anti. I feel worried for you guys.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 41 points 4 days ago (9 children)

This is all predictable. By next summer, besides more immigration crimes, we'll have food and product shortages, massive tariff-driven inflation, an economy roiling over his constant market manipulation, Luigi's trial, arrests of prominent politicians and resistors, etc. There will be protests against all of these issues and more, and he will use those protests to stir up trouble and create violence.

By next summer it will get really ugly, and he'll declare Martial Law, and suspend the Midterm election, so he can preserve his Congressional majorities.

Without Skum to rig the election, he will have no choice but to go with the Martial Law option.

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

2000 Guardsmen. For a city of 3 million. And a governor who doesn't want them there. Sure. Good luck with that.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago

Shit MAGA creating their version of Tiananmen Square. I guarantee the fucking CCP and Russians are smiling.

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 74 points 4 days ago

You mean the Man who Deployed Secret Police in his FIRST TERM is Deploying the National Guard in his SECOND TERM? I did NAZI This coming!

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (4 children)
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