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Apple warns Australia against following the EU in mandating iOS app sideloading, citing security risks. Australia is considering forcing Apple to open its App Store to sideloading as part of competition reforms.

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[–] MoreZombies@lemm.ee 3 points 19 hours ago

Fuck you, Tim Apple.

[–] MisanthropiCynic@lemmy.today 3 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Within the past week I’ve had to listen to 2 people talk about how Apple products were such shit because they couldn’t access their accounts or get into their things for work because they had forgotten their password or fucked up their two factor authentication.

These are the exact kind of people who will download some game just randomly off the Internet because they don’t have to pay for it and then when their phone fucks up, they will blame Apple

[–] mabeledo@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

So?

Does Ford have the right to tell you which roads you can drive on, so you won’t mess up the suspension?

[–] MisanthropiCynic@lemmy.today -3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

They certainly do tell you which parts you can add to your car that will void the warranty or make it illegal to drive on the street

[–] MoreZombies@lemm.ee 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Notice in your example, they still give you the freedom to do it in the first place.

Apple Car would weld the bonnet shut and you wouldn't even be able to change the oil yourself.

[–] MisanthropiCynic@lemmy.today -2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The parts won’t work if you mess with the computer anymore than they will with Apple. You can hack into it and be malicious, which is what you’re talking about doing here

[–] MoreZombies@lemm.ee 2 points 8 hours ago

I am not, but if it makes you feel better to put words in my mouth then I will not begrudge you that.

[–] RetroGradeBE@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago

Yes, users can act completely idiotic. It still does not mean one company can have a chokehold on a massive industry stifling any competition as they see fit.

Had Apple acted by their own rules in the first place, they probably wouldn’t be under this much scrutiny by several governments.

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 62 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I still hate the term "sideloading", when used in this context. You don't "sideload" anything on your computer. You just install things, from wherever you damn desire.

They only started using the term here, to gaslight people into thinking that installing mobile apps from sources, other than the ones that give Apple money, is somehow insecure

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think it’s borderline acceptable for Apple, TBH.

I don’t know about windows as I don’t use the Windows Store, but I generally use my distro’s repository to install software. Only if it doesn’t exist do I go elsewhere.

I’m aware at that point that if I use the AUR, compile from source, install a deb/rpm file, it’s on me. I’m not going to blame it on my distro.

With Apple, I expect people are going to just download random ass IPAs and then blame Apple that it doesn’t work.

For most people, they should use the repository. There should be a big ass disclaimer that says, “if you opt to enable IPAs, Apple will not be responsible” blah blah blah for power users.

[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemm.ee 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah, too many grandma’s and tech-tarded dipshits use these devices. Unless you know what to look for, you really should stick to official app stores for security. It should be discouraged for average users, but available for people who want to risk it. It should be something you enable in settings - the ability to download off app store programs, just like on OSX.

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting that they should just say okay, installing instagram from a Limewire download is the intended path now.

Using AUR or Nixpkgs to install your stuff is perfectly acceptable to me, for these exact reasons. You have a choice, you’re choosing your preference, and at the end of the day you get a vetted source from a trusted repository.

Choice is what matters to people, and it’s being taken away from them. But even beyond that, if i wanted to install an “unsupported/untrusted” app on my device, that should fully be my choice

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Not that I do it, but if you’re going to use the words “better source from a trusted repository”, I’m going to have to remind you to check your PKGBUILD files before you makepkg.

And I absolutely agree with you. I switched to iOS because an industry standard app for my hobby was iOS only. I’m frequently annoyed at the amount of control I have. But, like my Windows work computer, I tried to fix it with Linux: iSH.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 2 days ago

I agree, but I think it's also useful to have an intuitive term for installation methods that aren't officially-supported.

[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I gotta be honest, I don’t want my mom to be able to install anything from anywhere on her devices. I prefer that she’s locked into Apple’s ecosystem. I do think you should be able to do whatever you want with your hardware (if you’re willing to risk it).

Informed choice is difficult in this space.

Then there’s the other things I can imagine. Like the scummy sales people or repair shop installing shit on people’s phones and offering free stuff if they install things. Or all the tiktok ads that will push people to install things that will harvest even more data.

[–] LeTak@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

I can’t wait to explain my parents and grandparents how to not be tricked into installing some random app that a AI voice on TikTok/Facebook recommends, that is not suspicious at all downloaded from a weird domain.

[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago

Somehow they managed to keep OSX secure with alternate app loading for its entire existence.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 9 points 2 days ago

What is apple gonna? quit AU market?

tim apple is delulu