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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

I want a society that is a democratic communist society ruled by a democratically elected council. None of this single person has ultimate authority, because that's the worst weak point. All laws apply to the leaders as well as the masses. Money should either be abolished, or capped. No individual should be able to acquire enough influence that they can dictate anything about others lives. Democratize and co-op all workplaces. All basic rights of humans are absolutely not allowed to be profited off of.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 2 points 7 hours ago

Your ideal society in the best case scenario is... 500 or so years away!

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[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 1 points 7 hours ago

Personally? For me, I don't care what kind of leftist you are.

For now, we are united against one singular goal, the total annihilation of Donald Trump's fascist regime of religious cultists and billionaire oligarchs.

Before we throw a single punch at one another, we have to solve this first. We'd all rather eachother's ideals than him if given the choice.

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 18 points 15 hours ago (16 children)

Anti-Conservative

There is no such thing as liberalism — or progressivism, etc.

There is only conservatism. No other political philosophy actually exists; by the political analogue of Gresham’s Law, conservatism has driven every other idea out of circulation.

There might be, and should be, anti-conservatism; but it does not yet exist. What would it be? In order to answer that question, it is necessary and sufficient to characterize conservatism. Fortunately, this can be done very concisely.

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:

There must be in-groups whom the law protectes but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time.

For millenia, conservatism had no name, because no other model of polity had ever been proposed. “The king can do no wrong.” In practice, this immunity was always extended to the king’s friends, however fungible a group they might have been. Today, we still have the king’s friends even where there is no king (dictator, etc.). Another way to look at this is that the king is a faction, rather than an individual.

As the core proposition of conservatism is indefensible if stated baldly, it has always been surrounded by an elaborate backwash of pseudophilosophy, amounting over time to millions of pages. All such is axiomatically dishonest and undeserving of serious scrutiny. Today, the accelerating de-education of humanity has reached a point where the market for pseudophilosophy is vanishing; it is, as The Kids Say These Days, tl;dr . All that is left is the core proposition itself — backed up, no longer by misdirection and sophistry, but by violence.

So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be: the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.

Then the appearance arises that the task is to map “liberalism”, or “progressivism”, or “socialism”, or whatever-the-fuck-kind-of-stupid-noise-ism, onto the core proposition of anti-conservatism.

No, it a’n’t. The task is to throw all those things on the exact same burn pile as the collected works of all the apologists for conservatism, and start fresh. The core proposition of anti-conservatism requires no supplementation and no exegesis. It is as sufficient as it is necessary. What you see is what you get:

The law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone; and it cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.

Also, those who insist on political purity tests reveal themselves to be temporarily-inconvenienced-dictators-in-waiting.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

While I am totally in the "bind all and protect all" camp and really against the "in group protect, out group rules" and I think conservatism is often in practice "protect me and rule others", I am not sure if I agree with it being called conservatism.

I think fundamentally the hierarchy in right wing politics imply an in/out group. But just like conservatism is a form of right wing political views, so you could argue that the hierarchical political views are a Form of "in group protect, out group bind".

Whatever you want to call it, is part of conservatism, I believe. But I don't like to call it conservatism, so it feels like we are defining two related but different things with the same name, which will be confusing and could be used by e.g. "progressive" capitalists to claim that they aren't conservative and therefore not "in group protect, out group bind".

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (6 children)

I am not sure if I agree with it being called conservatism.

Yes, Wilhoit, if I'm understanding his treatise correctly, addressed this point:

For millenia, conservatism had no name, because no other model of polity had ever been proposed. “The king can do no wrong.” In practice, this immunity was always extended to the king’s friends, however fungible a group they might have been. Today, we still have the king’s friends even where there is no king (dictator, etc.). Another way to look at this is that the king is a faction, rather than an individual.

The corollary label could be "Anti-Establishment". Perhaps, "Anti-Authoritarian".

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[–] Kickforce@lemmy.wtf 19 points 17 hours ago

The kind that got chucked off reddit for being mean to Trump, Musk and Netanyahu.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago (3 children)
[–] theologynerd@lemm.ee 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] aidan@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

Somewhat yeah, but I think there are a few others, just mostly not people who are that vocal about it

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[–] Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world 22 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Get your finger out of the trigger guard.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

To be fair, if you saw the movie, he was definitely ready to pull that trigger within the next milliseconds. But yeah shouldn't be pointing in the air without any trigger discipline

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