isn't this Ben Shaprio newspaper?
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He isn't wrong. If they hadn't pushed a senile 81 year old incumbent leader upon us as their candidate, in a blatant attempt to parachute an unpopular vice president into power once the 25th Amendment had to inevitably be invoked, then we would never have had a second Trump term.
Biden should never have ran for a second term, and allowed time for the Democrats to field a decent candidate for the White House. The fact that Harris literally lost to somebody who tried to stir up an insurrection against Congress four years ago says it all.
Harris didn't lose. Trump didn't win. They stole the election through every single means available. There is clear data that shows they tried it in 2020, and failed. They perfected it in 2024. "If I win you'll never need to vote again." "Elon knows sic. [everything] about the machines, he'll make sure we win."
Voting won't save us now. Self defense and community defense are all we have left. The system has been stolen by the ultra rich, and they are gleefully enacting as much violence against us all as they want, because they "know" they don't have to listen to us anymore.
https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
https://electiontruthalliance.org/eta
First and last links are the data. The middle links are for us stupid people that need to be told how to read the data in the last link.
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Nothing like clickbait headlines using a right-wing podcaster to put words in Bernie's mouth.
Oh, Return2Ozma? Who would've guessed.
Bernie, a notorious independent.
They really are at an impasse. Do they do the right thing for the good of their constituents or do they continue to line their pockets with corporate ~~bribes~~ donations?
Response C: Both, spend 1 year pretending they care right before the election, then spend 4 year lining their pocket 👍
I think the problem is that you need money and corporate support to win an election in america.
Its circular....or cyclical...or something.. I don't know.
I didn't read the article or listen to podcast. Just came to say 2 party system doesn't work. Thank you. Cheers.
well hey used to it, several red states passed laws banning rank choice voting
Worked pretty well for the capitalists and fascists.
Yeah a little too late Bernie. You'll tell us to vote for Gavin Newsom/Liz Cheney 2028 as well. The modern Dem party is an enrichment cult.
And he'd be right to, if the alternative is MAGA.
But this is the buf problem un US politics. Of course you should vote against Trump, and of course even the most questionable Democrat is preferable to Trump. But with only two options, that seems to have lead the Democrats to think they don't even have to try anymore. They keep drifting further to the right, instead of running a credible opposition.
The US desperately needs more options, but the system is rigged to allow only two credible parties. To change, there are only two options: seize control of the Democratic Party, primary every lackluster candidate, until the DNC can't ignore that people demand better. Or start a new grassroots party, but it would have to be universally seen as the only way to get change, it needs to be massively funded to take on the machines of the other two parties, and convince the American voter that they really can win in this system that's rigged against the people.
Primarying is certainly the more likely option, but you need to do it everywhere.
With his recent moves you couldn't pay me to vote for Gavin
Bernie has the greatest leverage in a potential third party, though with the system we have I think it'll just lead to the left losing again because of a voter split.
Assuming the elections will be fair with trump around, he effectively bypassed court already, he can adjust procedures to solidify his successor
he or AOC could announce their third party run now and demand the democratic left get behind them in advance
form a coalition with them or else.
I've long wondered why the populist democrats haven't been pushing harder for ranked choice voting options, or proportional representation, or any other voting system than what we have. I'm no election expert, so I'm sure there's a reason, but it's disheartening to be trapped between two parties.
its a threat to them thats why, as it is also a threat to the republicans.
Because they'll lose power too. I live in blue Oregon and it was on the ballot in November, but both parties came out against it with nonsense about how popular candidates will lose, your votes will be stolen, etc, etc and it was resoundly defeated. All their rhetoric about helping the working class are blatant lies they tell you to get elected which is why we've been on a steady downward trend as a country for decades regardless of which of these "two" sides hold office.
The Democrats in charge benefit from the status quo. It's that simple. They would prefer to let Republicans win elections if the only other option is letting a pro worker candidate win.
i say they benefit from Rs winning, because they get to grift as much as the gop, without getting the blame of the disastrous policies the gop enacts every election cycle. and when it comes time for Ds to get elected, they benefit/grift even more. THE CULTURE WAR BS is just to distract republicans and to an extent some dem voters from them noticing orchestrating this behind the scenes as a uniparty, by extension also to protect thier billionaire donors. sanders, aoc, MAYBE walz? are totally outsiders and are not privelieged to the grift of the dnc and gop.
Even whitmer recently have been seen shilling for trump, lowkey wise.(she entertained him twice to work with him)
it also kinda make sense why a lot of dems are also DINOS too.
I try not to be terribly pessimistic. But a part of me knows you're right.
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Andrew Schulz
You might not know the name. But I bet you recognize what Kendrick said about him:
Don't let no white comedian talk about no Black woman, that's law
I know propaganda work for them, and fuck whoever that's close to them
But Bernie's always went to where all the earballs are, he's just trying to get the message out.
And I think it's important to point out by "party" Bernie is talking about elected politicians in leadership positions, not the DNC.
Sanders echoed his woes, venting that even after losing the 2024 election, his colleagues still “won’t listen” to him about how to appeal to voters.
Also:
Singh interjected with another question: “But could we not also say, if there hasn’t been a fair primary for the Democrats since 2008, are they not also a threat to democracy?”
“Fair enough,” Sanders answered. “I’m not gonna argue with that.”
First off, the headline wasn't Bernie's words, he was just moving on from something a rightwing podcaster had said.
2008 wasn't a fair primary, Obama just won in spite of it. The DNC being biased against him not only in the primary but the general is why Obama didn't appoint a DNC chair, so the neoliberals maintained their death grip on the DNC till just a few months ago.
But Obama refusing to nominate a chair was probably his biggest mistake, one we're still paying for.
Also important to note that Bernie defends voting for Democrats in this interview.
“Because it’s easy to say,” said Sanders. “But ‘burning it down’ means children will not have food to eat. The schools will deteriorate. People will not have healthcare. I’m an elected official. I’ve got to represent the people. I can’t turn my back on them.”
Like Nina Turner said...
“It’s like saying to somebody, ‘You have a bowl of shit in front of you, and all you’ve got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing,’” about the choice between Biden and Trump. “It’s still shit.”
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Obama’s biggest mistake was promising system wide change and only tinkering at the edges. His presidency was a failure because it continued with the neoliberal bullshit instead of responding to 2008 with forceful reforms.
If Obama had seated a progressive or even nonbiased chair then it would have been Bernie 2016/2020, and a very good chance we stretched it to another progressive in 2024.
Obama did a lot of things wrong, but just leaving Hillary's people in charge of the DNC snowballed into trump and everything else that's been fucked up the last decade.
And there was zero besides spite. He thought without him the DNC would die, but he never tried to replace it with anything. He was just mad they were biased on the primary and didn't help him in the general.
It was the first sign that everything else was bullshit. That he valued his ego more than doing his job.
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The episode opened with Schulz introducing Sanders as having been “mocked, sidelined, and betrayed—and that’s just by his own party,”
Well that's the thing, the Democrats aren't "his own party". Sanders is totally OK with being an Independent right up until it comes time to run for President.
The DNC saw/see him as an outsider, not a Democrat, which is also a fair statement.
That doesn't make his statement incorrect. They view him as an outsider because both the Democrats and Republicans are right wing parties and he isn't right wing.
the dems are center right, and the republicans are far right.
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