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As simple as possible to summarize the best way you can, first, please. Feel free to expand after, or just say whatever you want lol. Honest question.

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[–] Libra@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't believe in the Christian god because there are too many contradictions and I don't think the divine truth is corruptable. Anything so corrupt it doesn't even agree with itself cannot be divine truth.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (15 children)
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[–] Flyswat@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

By using our logic and from the experience of things around us we can say that it's impossible for something to come from nothingness. There is a consensus that the universe has a beginning which scientists call the Big Bang. But that cannot come out of itself, logic dictates that there is something which brought it about (energy/matter does not just compress itself into a singularity). Whatever that thing is or things if there is a chain of initiators/causes, must end with an initiator which is self-sufficient and which has not been caused by something else. Otherwise we go in an infinite regression of asking what caused that cause, and an infinite chain going backwards would mean the present never gets to happen, but we exist, and that is proof that the chain ends somewhere.

That's what is called the necessary being or the uncaused cause.

Now, by observing the universe we can surmise some characteristics that that cause must possess to bring it about, since it must possess them in at least an equal ammount. The enormous ammount of energy held in the universe shows that the initiator has immense power. The laws of the universe and its intricacies suggest that it must possess knowledge and wisdom etc.

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[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I believe in God because I think its the best explanation for the existence of our universe with it's laws. A being outside of our current space/time setting our universe into motion just makes sense to me.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If our universe requires a being outside it as an origin, why shouldn't that being itself require another being of even further outside as an origin, and so on?

[–] Jdreben@mastodon.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

@FooBarrington @IttihadChe It’s turtles all the way down. 🐒

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

TAG addresses infinite regress. A transcendent being functions outside of our physical and metaphysical constraints.

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[–] KeepFlying@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (6 children)

If you look at it very very loosely, many major religions are reaching toward the same general concepts and have enough similarities to suggest a consensus that there's a "something" up there.

We probably all have an imperfect idea of what that "something" is, but there are enough similarities (or echos of the same ideas) across many religions to suggest they're looking at the same indivisible thing and interpreting it differently.

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[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I believe in God because I don't believe knowledge is possible without a transcendent being. (e.g. the impossibility of the contrary) Otherwise you are dealing with infinite regress or axiomatic circularity. Materialism breaks down with origin theories. Metaphysics aren't substantial yet exist. Math and logic aren't descriptors of the world but integral to how the world is structured. The Orthodox view is that these principles are a reflection of the divine mind.

(I am an Orthodox Christian)

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No reason. I just do.

[–] wolfrasin@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago
[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

TLDR; I'm vehemently agnostic.

I believe that if there is a "God" entity, that it is incomprehensible and not worth attempting to understand.

I also don't believe in an anthropocentric "God", in that "God" doesn't inherently value nor not value humans as somehow special nor damned. I also don't believe "God" cares nor doesn't care about humans or existence.

I also don't believe in inherent meaning, nor that there is some form of divine justice. Those are human lenses through which we interpret the world, and are unlikely to apply (at least in the same way as a human) to the supposed viewpoint of an eternal omniscient omnipotent entity that created the universe and will supposedly one day close the door on time and its own existence.

In short, I'm one bleak motherfucker and it doesn't matter if "God" exists or not. Either way, I don't get to survive death. What is eternal about me is inherently not a part of me. It is mortality, true mortality, mortality of the consciousness and the ego and the individual that defines the individual. When that dies, "God” or not, either way there is no individual to somehow surpass death.

[–] noughtnaut@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Leave me be, I'm agnostic. Bother me with religious nonsense and see the atheist come out and ruin your day.

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