When you're 20 minutes into an argument on reddit and suddenly get permanently IP banned for saying something that didn't even break rules
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The net is far more ban happy than it used to, it's gotten to the point that I don't feel safe using Steam Forums.
fr man
Wish that was me more often
Reddit? Nah that's literally every platform.
If I was the owner of Reddit, i would 100% save in-progress comments, and keep the unsent ones in the database for my enjoyment.
Wasn't that implemented once? Or was that a browser feature? I swear at some point what you typed into input comment boxes was saved.
If I was the owner of Reddit, i would 100% save in-progress comments, and [...]
sell the data to AI companies
"I didn't have time to write you a short letter, so I wrote a long one."
i wanna say Mark Twain said that, but I'm not 100%
I thought it was Victor Hugo but apparently it was Blaise Pascal
It's a similar story with editing videos. Paring a video back is where most of the time goes.
Jane Austen I thought
Steve Austin?
Maybe it was Tony Hawk?
I think it was Darude Sandstorm.
Maybe it was Austin Mini?
If you had made the effort to remix the meme by changing it to say lemmy, I'd've upvoted.
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It hits for me when I'm typing it out and I can already read the braindead response they're going to type and I don't want to spend another 2 paragraphs preempting the obvious response and I definitely don't want to wait a few hours/days to explain why they're still wrong.
Me when I realize the person I'm commenting to is from hexbear.
Tank you!
That's because Reddit sells anger quite well. Their bots and human instigators work overtime to get you to comment like that. I think all of us Reddit refugees have fallen for this shit.
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If someone is an obvious tankie or far-right troll, just be like "Lol loser" and never elaborate further.
Or you can call out bad faith and veiled extremist views in a few words. It only takes a little more effort.
Sometimes that is infinitely better for people reading (who are not in the know) and it still gives the person with the controversial views something to latch on to that inadvertently exposes their beliefs and bad faith further if they keep engaging.
There is no way to reason sense into someone who has reasoned themselves into their mindset. No evidence or proof can change their mind for them.
Any reply on confirms the beliefs of anyone who reads it, regardless of their side on the matter.
There is no way to reason sense into someone who has reasoned themselves into their mindset. No evidence or proof can change their mind for them.
Those are limiting beliefs and I firmly disagree. You can't change someone's mind, but they can. We can succinctly give them the information to do so on their own terms.
Any reply on confirms the beliefs of anyone who reads it, regardless of their side on the matter.
Not everybody is operating from a fixed set of beliefs and a narrow perception.
Humanity has a lot of curiosity, if it's all laid out bare, we can at least stop impressionable people from getting herded into rabbit holes that they don't understand and being propagandized.
Calling people names and spreading hate only perpetuates the tribalism that you see coloring reality.
True, but a considerable amount of the population has the causes that they will put themself on the cross for, regardless of how wrong it may be.
See flat-earth.
And they should be free to do so. We can still lay the facts bare - so when they are ready to face reality, they are available to them.
Even if their opinion is overall damaging to the opposite mindset?
If a mindset or perspective is vulnerable to the delusions and other breaks from reality of others, perhaps we need to work on expressing ourselves with clarity and confidence - and gather facts for people to consume.
Trust me, in a neutral arena, the truth will always resonate with the majority of people. I'd say the fediverse has pockets that are fairly neutral compared to other discussion boards/websites.
Delusion usually starts from a place of persecution, real or perceived gaslighting, and paranoia and concern. We can address the gaslighting if it does exist, and ease their concern.
True, the problem is no different than the horse being dehydrated and not knowing it is thirsty. Doesn't matter if we show the water is there if the horse won't/can't perceive that it is thirsty because it has tied their identity and worldview to being thirsty.
We can only offer our opinion until the last straw compromises their viewpoint in a manner that finds the chink.
Unfortunately the emotionally fueled current meta is to brow beat fecklessly.
I'm seeing a bit of a shift in others' attitudes. I'm usually everywhere discussion is found online. Things just seem to have gotten more real to people and that seems to be what is prompting this. Plus the propaganda from the usual places just isn't hitting the same.
Most people cope with reality by escaping or distracting themselves - e.g. into various hobbies, interests, habits. It doesn't really help that media and games just kinda suck anymore and hobbies/habits are more expensive than ever.
I'm doing my best to soften the hearts of those who engage in feckless browbeating, as you aptly described it. Usually behind the veneer of hate and hard feelings is a very sensitive and vulnerable person who is seeking rather harmless things (like validation, approval, camaraderie, community). Of course, that's not always the case - sometimes people are caught up into hate and bad faith without even realizing it, and some absolutely do intend on spreading hate and operating in bad faith.
Regardless, I just do my best to clear things up for everyone and it seems to help. I don't delude myself into thinking my impact is very large, but I do intend on helping others in a general sense - and I know I have helped many.
'Know your place, trash. Fucking robot.'
Here's a tip for how I've improved my social media experience greatly:
Stick to a rule of 1 comment and no further replies.
Strangers online are not going to be convinced by your point of view and there is nothing to gain from getting into a back and forth conversation. Unless it's a particularly positive or productive conversation about a particular interest you share....there's nothing to gain from arguing online and lots of potential mental damage you risk.
My stance is: when arguing on lemmy, you're not only trying to convince the other one. You're also trying to convince future readers. Even if the other one is an asshole, people see that and that has an effect.
You're clearly incorrect!
I know you're playfully joking, but I second their opinion. I was basically on a crusade against misinformation in 2020 and 2021 against COVID deniers and election truthers. Nobody ever changes their mind. Nobody ever admits their wrong. No matter how respectful and accommodating you are, no matter what sources you find, it's just not worth it. Give one response if you feel inclined, but don't reply to the reply. Don't waste your time. Don't get pointlessly stressed.
People do change their minds sometimes, but it's never done in the moment and if you press them too hard on their beliefs they'll double down.
You don’t primarily reply to convince the person you reply to, it’s about the other readers.
On top of that, I don't think most people realize how that level of dehumanization affects the conversation as a whole. We are not replying to people, we are replying to walls of text, abstract concepts, hypotheses, and we treat one another as such. It's why anonymous internet discussions so quickly devolve.
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Proposal for an exception: Where the comments/discussion revolve around something non-controversial with people who are OK with partaking in a conversation without needing to win it.
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I am slightly concerned that I recognized the anime source from that one frame 😅 To be fair it is a fantastic series! Check out Paranoia Agent if you can 🍿
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Actually it's a keyboard shortcut to close the browser tab.
I bookmark subreddits and read them without logging in. Every time I feel the urge, I've got a hurdle to cross before I can type anything. Then it's immediately a "fuck it" moment and move on
The Reddit interface is so fucking obnoxious when you're not logged in, I've just given up on the community entirely. Days of casually browsing have been ruined by the constant gating and engagement baiting and GUI hell they've injected into the site.
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Yeah arguing on the Internet is a waste of time which is why I don't do it much anymore unless I feel very strongly that someone's reply to my comment needs to be disputed.
Most of the time I make my point then don't bother responding to any replies. It's much more pleasant to respond when it's you're not arguing, just discussing something interesting.
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