Paul's jihad led to upwards of 60 billion deaths in less than a decade.
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The worms.
Reject water, return to worm.
Unironically this
That doesn't make sense. They don't have an agenda, they're a force of nature. Except maybe one of them who clearly wasn't a "good" guy.
I heard they like rhythm though
Okay, that's enough to convince me. They are the good guys.
The worms are an alien made terraforming tool. The spice is engineered to enslave mankind over and over.
I am absolutely sure that spice is a standin for coffee....
Is that some canon that I'm too not reading Brian Herbert to understand?
It’s covered in the later Frank Herbert books via a trail of various, disparate clues. The worms were created by mankind to produce spice (and are possibly genetically engineered post-humans) and then seeded onto Arrakis with the intent of turning it into a dedicated spice-production planet. Spice and the worms were never natural.
Are you sure you're thinking worms and not tleilaxu axlotl tanks that produce spice later in the timeline?
Yes, the worms. I think Leto II even states it matter-of-fact in God Emperor, but I’d have to find the exact quote.
I love GE, my favorite book of the series by far, don't remember that.
Lot of ominous implications, but I never got that they were human in any way.
If they were it should have bled in through the Reverend mother process, unless it was somehow only keyed to males??
Did you read Chapterhouse? If not ... then yes.
The Bene Gesserit probably come the closest to being the "good guys/girls" by the end.
Everything they do is based on the mind numbing insanity that they have due to the fact that they can perceive every horrific action men have ever done to any woman that exists in "other memory".
The Bene Gesserit's sole existence is based upon stopping the evil and violence of men no matter the cost.
Nothing says "good guys" like eugenics.
Eugenics? C'mon! It's not like they were trying to breed some kind of Übermensch, like some kinda Nazis. Get real.
(reads Dune)
Oh. Oh my. Well.
Yes, but to them it's like breeding wolves to make domestic dogs.
Eugenics is getting rid of a race ... the BG are trying to get rid of man's ability to do evil.
Except there are still wolves around...
In Dune? Yes, the evil and brutal houses are still there. Mostly because Jessica messed up the breeding program. She basically made an uncontrollable war god that killed trillions.
Pobody's nerfect!!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Is reading comprehension that bad? No, there are still wolves around in real life because we didn't kill the original species/gene pool of dogs, so it's not genocide when we made wolves into dogs. Making men docile through genetic manipulation, such as breeding, is still genocide because making sure the original race/Genepool of normal/violent men is eradicated is the end goal.
Are debate skills and communication that bad? I agree comprehension is lacking, but that is only because you are trying to debate a tactic you know nothing about.
The BG do not genetically manipulate everyone, that would be impossible. They are just trying to create a god tier guard dog caste of humanity loyal to them and thus force all the other "wolves" to heel.
Pulling teeth is not genocide. People like you think that that the domestic pig is the most common species and that we have all but eliminated the tusked variety ... with no clue that the farmer actually just pulls those teeth so they never grow.
Linda Hunt.
End of list.
This might be a controversial opinion. I've only read the main book and skimmed a few of the others. Plus I've seen the newer movies.
But I feel like the Fremen just want to be left alone and protect their people. So I'd say they are the good guys. I don't wanna spoil it, but the book version of them was better than the movie.
"The Fremen are the good guys. I've only read book one though."
Me:
Haha 😂 oh no did I overlook something
Let's put it this way. "Dune" was originally supposed to cover the events of "Dune" and "Dune: Messiah", but the publisher said it was too long and needs to be two separate books.
Let's put it another way: if you cut out all the foreshadowing in "Dune" that hasn't paid off by the end, the book could be like 1/3 shorter.
Actually I was surprised it ended with a conventional happy ending (more or less) for our protagonists when I read it the first time.
Wait, what's wrong with the Atreides?
spoiler
Mostly cause they're gone
But, you know, UNTIL then.
the atredes, they are the protagonists /s
jihads have always gone well, and leto 2 took the golden path. they must be the good guys /s
That's one of the things that makes Dune so interesting.... there are not many books from the bad guys point of view, let alone where you are supposed to recognize that the protagonist-- as you so snarkly noted -- isn't the good guy.
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I don't want to read a book from Baron Harkonnen's POV.
Actually... if frank had written it... that could be very interesting
Oh man. Maybe we'll get real AI one day that can write that book. It would have been such a good book.
Nobody better fucking tell Brian Herbert this idea.