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[–] moosh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think we’re gonna need a bigger scale.

[–] onparole@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah just shorten the when it's supposed to happen axle. We've known for years. Yet another great thing America gave us, petroleum based capitalism,

[–] fidelacchius@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah America is the only one with cars. Capitalism bad.

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[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's too much red in this picture. They really should use another baseline. If red would start only at 40 Degree Celsius, the globe would look much more welcoming.

Look, I'm just trying to give productive feedback.

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except China is proud of their red.

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Have you ever had a friend or relative who was just in such poor health, who you basically expected to keel over and die any day now? If so, you probably know what I mean when you eventually just accept that the person you once knew is already dead, and all that's left is a husk that's just riding out the last bit of momentum they've got until they fade away. And then when they finally do die, it doesn't even hurt, because you've already had time to grieve and process your emotions in advance.

That's kinda how I feel about the earth these days. I feel like the earth is on hospice care, and at that point that we're just making it as comfortable as we can for it to die.

Maybe that's a little melodramatic. But it really does just feel hopeless these days.

[–] chemical_cutthroat@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not Earth that's in trouble...

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah I feel like this is just like when the body gets a fever to get rid of a sickness. The earth is just getting a little fever to get rid of our dumbasses real quick. Then it will go right back to normal and be completely fine.

[–] spicystraw@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it's any consolation. Earth, as in the spinning ball of dirt, will be just fine for many more millions of years. Humans, and other animal species, on the other hand are not going to be fine if the trend continuous.

Dunno, I find it kind of consoling in a meloncolic kind of way.

[–] Hank@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It's not the first mass extinction and it will not be the last.

[–] Catpuccino@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The whole situation with climate change feels so hopeless.

[–] Xcf456@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the worst part of it is that its not actually hopeless, at least not in theory. It's just that we, or more accurately the people with actual power, refuse to act because it would mean slightly less profit.

[–] guriinii@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I fully believe that if the world comes together, a united global effort, it is solvable, but we won't.

[–] Alperto@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Me too, specially when I was younger I thought we could change the world for good if united. I saw cristal clear that the rich wanted to be richer at the expense of the poorer, but as I grew older and saw the reality and stupidity of the world (Like Trump, a massively rich guy being massively voted by the poorest and less educated people) I lost hope. I came to realize that education and stoicism and the best tools the human race has to progress to a healthy society. So that’s what I try to share now when I can.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

Neoliberals won't (nor will the reactionaries they've carefully trained) and unfortunatly we've let them infest all major political parties and media outlets across most of the globe.

With these managed democracies, they're able to delay actual progress until the mining and oil execs are satisified with their obscene wealth (which is never going to happen).

Until these people are pried from their positions of power, everybody "coming together" is meaningless.

The solution is going to require immediate, strict, drastic regulations and billions of dollars of research and investment that will never turn into profits, with much of it financed through taxing the rich appropriately.

Neoliberals hate every one of those ideas and have positioned themselves so they can veto all of them.

Voting genuine progressives and ensuring they keep their promises is the only way out because the best we'll ever get out of this neoliberal psuedo-left is "Maybe we can find a way to save the world that's more profitable than just letting everyone die".

[–] T0rrent01@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Something I'm noticing is that while America continues their pattern of climate denial and destructive hyper-individualism, China - for all its flaws - seems to be leading the charge on the single greatest existential challenge of our time.

China is rapidly expanding renewables and green tech. They're on track to become the world's renewable superpower. While Americans absentmindedly whine and complain about society improving, China gets right to work on constructing a green national infrastructure to actually address the root causes of the crisis.

China understands collective action and planning are the only way humanity can overcome existential threats. China's top-down governance, however authoritarian some claim, efficiently marshalled resources to minimize devastation during the COVID pandemic, but what's possibly more important is their collective culture, the populace's eager willingness to listen to the authorities, and make personal sacrifices for the benefit of society as a whole. None of that "freedumb" nonsense or pearl-clutching. Imagine if the US mandated decisive actions, not "choose your own experiment!"

This is serious; we cannot rest on our laurels and we cannot go back to brunch. We haven't the luxury of half measures. Rather, we need the appropriate sort of complete and holistic mobilization asap to transition to greener, more sustainable models. To survive impending eco-collapse will require global equity, not privileged nations hoarding pie while the rest burn. We'd be wise to learn from China's example. Obviously they're not perfect - no one is - but I think their climate policies reveal what truly ambitious climate action looks like: bold, large-scale interventions that prioritize the collective good over individual freedoms.

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This was a great paper, I don't have a direct link though sorry.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0280-2

[–] bzah@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here it is https://unisa.alma.exlibrisgroup.com/view/delivery/61USOUTHAUS_INST/12177058790001831 I haven't read it, just doing my part for open science. By the way, unpaywall is a great browser extension to quickly go around publishers paywalls: https://unpaywall.org/welcome

[–] windie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the tip!

[–] tallwookie@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

china has a rapidly aging populace, an unsustainable birthrate, and far too many peasants to support - they've got a very small window of time to prepare for the collapse of the country. when it happens, they'll retreat, eastwards, to where the larger cities are (which isnt in the western 4/5ths of the current borders). that region you've highlighted will be abandoned - it doesnt really matter if it's 22c or 52c. presumably the russians or the indians will pick it up, but probably wont settle in that area.

superpower though? lol no. regional power in southeast asia, at best. manufacturing is leaving china as we speak. in 10 years most of our "made in china" stickers will be "made in nigeria", or "made in argentina"

[–] wathek@discuss.online 1 points 1 year ago

Don't underestimate China's power to fuck things up for everyone to ensure it's survival. The CCP has shown it's willing and able to do anything they deem useful, regardless of the human cost. Uncontrolled powers in this day and age are absolutely terrifying.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People saying:

"Voting doesn't matter. They're all the same." "Things can't be solved because the global elite won't allow it" "I don't have to do anything because it won't matter" "This is all big industry's problem, why should I do anything"

have been manipulated/influenced/radicalized by a combination of paid media shills, RW billionaires and Saudi/Kremlin/Iranian propaganda.

Snap out of it and let's all pitch in to save our children and world.

[–] wishthane@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Voting is still good, but it's the bare minimum. Not everyone has the time, but if you do, you should try to advocate publicly, and preferably in a group. Just like with unions, collective action is more effective. If I give feedback to my city individually, I'm a data point. But as part of an advocacy group, they reach out to us.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Absolutely! That's what I mean. We have to do it ALL. Even the tiniest things have value. 👍