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Assume you have all the luxuries of a modern life in your Tardis (toilet, hot showers, TV, books, game console, ...) which doubles as a mini self-sufficient apartment with it's own energy stores and generation.

Where in history would you go if comfort wasn't an issue?

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[–] hobata@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

2009 for bitcoin

[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I'd stay where I am and just travel back before the internet existed/was widely adopted

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago

You could set up your own wifi hotspot and become your own free ISP, undercutting any private company seeking to dominate the area. It'd usher in that wonderful wild-west age of the internet

[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Absolutely nowhere. I'll spend rest of my life enjoying myself in the tardis.

[–] Dr_Vindaloo@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How has no one mentioned dinosaurs yet? You disappoint me, Lemmy.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

you can guarantee that at least one time travel willeth have ridden a dinosaur at some point

[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Go back to various ancient cities and just sit in the equivalent of the town square and watch a day go by. See the food! So many lost recipes. See the clothing??? We only know what the wealthy wore for the most part, I want to see what the majority of people ate, drank, wore, what their homes looked like. What did they do to pass the time??

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

right? walk a mile in the average person's footsteps.

Though I'm now imagining some weird guy bursting into my house in strange garb, just as I'm about to go to work, excitedly pointing at my vacuum cleaner, and the bills on my table, and exclaiming "this is brilliant!"

[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Haha, I'd ask! If it's a tardis, it should be translating and making me look like I fit in, yeah? At least clothing wise. I'd be a pale weirdo in a lot of places, but it should work! I'll ask if I can visit, and bring them...wine works, right? That's pretty ancient and won't raise questions. That I'd answer with "it's a gift from far awaaaaaaay" very awkwardly.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

*Teleports into the middle of the Black Plague. Starts handing out lifesaving antibiotics in plastic pop pill sachets*

"Uhhh, a normal product from the East... yes..."

[–] Lanske@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Shoot Trump's dad

[–] NKBTN@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably Brazil in the 1600's. Women there were sexually liberated, and threw themselves at foreign sailors, thinking they were demigods (or nearest cultural equivalent).

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think that might be a convenient myth used to gloss over the power imbalance that led to indigenous women being used as such

[–] StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've given this a lot of thought but I'd love to meet oppressed historical figures. I'd love to see people autonomously standing up for themselves like at Stonewall and The Battle of Cable Street. I assume that they are both more brutal than anything I can imagine but it blows my mind to realize how many people came together.

I'd love to see the parts of town where the post-WW2 "slum clearings" took place. Gentrification is having a real impact here at the moment and its a shame. We recently lost a shabby 80s community centre and the building that replaced it never got the community back. Honestly, I just want to walk around here before the cars arrived.

A stranger thing that I would want to see is the old wood-paneled stock on the Metropolitan line of the London Underground in service at its peak. I generally would just want to explore transport systems as a whole. Getting to ride a 1910s tram on the street would probably feel surreal.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Oh WW2 London is a fave of mine. I've always wondered what the slums of Deptford looked like. Right now it's an overly gentrified rich person's suburbia, but back then it was the rotted lungs of the shipping industry. It would be also nice to know what it was like hiding out in the tube with a bunch of strangers. Did anyone play music? Was there singing above the praying? Did people trade books and cigarettes?

[–] PatheticGroundThing@beehaw.org 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'd go back and see if I can find Jesus. See what he looked like, what he actually said at his sermons, and what happened after the crucifixion.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

I mean he disappears for a few days after and seems good afterwards before vanishing forever, so chances are you were there and you intervened

[–] NKBTN@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

You'd need a translator, and probably a bunch of inoculations first.

[–] Dillenger69@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd love to witness the Chixilub impact. Or Pompeii, or any huge natural disaster. The bigger the better. I'd also like to figure out how the moon was actually created. Then see the sun swallow the earth at the end.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Those last two might require some careful planning on where to be to witness those events safely

[–] knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

first things first.

i would relax in my new Tardis, with all the needed luxuries, and take that in for a while. take care of me

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

"what would you do if your basic needs were met?"
"chill the fuck out"

seems like a solid answer to me no joke

[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

"Take care" of Christopher Columbus.

[–] NKBTN@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

Possibly Ghengis Khan too. And a handful of Roman Emperors and European royalty.

[–] VirusMaster3073@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Give all the natives AK-47s and tons of ammo

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[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The end of time and the edge of the universe to have a good meal at the restaurant.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

It might just be a bistro

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago

Definitely the future. Probably like 500 year increments.

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

i’d go to the first nuclear bomb test, after it went off i’d say they just created a rift in time, and i came back to stop them from destroying the world through paradoxes….

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Put on fake ears and paint yourself green

[–] 0_0j@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago
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[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd go watch the pyramids being built, should be very interesting.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

That'd take a long time unless you skip ahead a few years every now and then

[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The middle of the carboniferous, imagine forests growing for millions of years and wood not decaying. There should be mountains made of wood.

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[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Go back to before multicellular life evolved so nothing will bother me

[–] VirusMaster3073@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I would stop my kid self from taking the concerta I was prescribed and instead get him to drink a cup of coffee every morning, and would also give him advice for when he stops being a Christian and his parents go apeshit and try to desperately bring him back into the fold.

Also I would prefer to use a DeLorean

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[–] t_berium@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I'd go as far back as possible and see how things came to be. And to the time our sun was born and later when our moon was formed. And I'd visits the time and watch earth meeting it's end.

[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would probably look at a few interesting years I am aware of, but after a while I figure it would devolve into "I dunno man, what the fuck was going on in 1111?"

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago
[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I’ll visit past me and leave some letters that contain useful information. You know, don’t trust those people, avoid doing this mistake, know yourself etc. would be interesting to see how that timeline diverges from my own.

Actually. now that I’ve opened this door, might as well try influencing world history on a larger scale. How about I visit certain key moments where a dangerous person almost died, but survived to cause massive harm later down the line. Would be really interesting to see how history plays out after nudging Hitler a little bit closer than to that suitcase. History is just full of special moments like that.

I wouldn’t be a passive observer. I would actively change things to see what happens.

BTW, I believe in the many words interpretation of quantum physics, so all possibilities are equally real and they all exist simultaneously. No matter how hard you try to fix things or how badly you mess things up, that disaster branch was already there, always will be.

[–] pcalau12i@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Many Worlds is an incredibly bizarre point of view.

Quantum mechanics has two fundamental postulates, that being the Schrodinger equation and the Born rule. It's impossible to get rid of the Born rule in quantum mechanics as shown by Gleason's Theorem, it's an inevitable consequence of the structure of the theory. But Schrodinger's equation implies that systems can undergo unitary evolution in certain contexts, whereas the Born rule implies systems can undergo non-unitary evolution in other contexts.

If we just take this as true at face value, then it means the wave function is not fundamental because it can only model unitary evolution, hence why you need the measurement update hack to skip over non-unitary transformations. It is only a convenient shorthand for when you are solely dealing with unitary evolution. The density matrix is then more fundamental because it is a complete description which can model both unitary and non-unitary transformations without the need for measurement update, "collapse," and does so continuously and linearly.

However, MWI proponents have a weird unexplained bias against the Born rule and love for unitary evolution, so they insist the Born rule must actually just be due to some error in measurement, and that everything actually evolves unitarily. This is trivially false if you just take quantum mechanics at face value. The mathematics at face value unequivocally tells you that both kinds of evolution can occur under different contexts.

MWI tries to escape this by pointing out that because it's contextual, i.e. "perspectival," you can imagine a kind of universal perspective where everything is unitary. For example, in the Wigner's friend scenario, for his friend, he would describe the particle undergoing non-unitary evolution, but for Wigner, he would describe the system as still unitary from his "outside" perspective. Hence, you can imagine a cosmic, godlike perspective outside of everything, and from it, everything would always remain unitary.

The problem with this is Hilbert space isn't a background space like Minkowski space where you can apply a perspective transformation to something independent of any physical object, which is possible with background spaces because they are defined independently of the relevant objects. Hilbert space is a constructed space which is defined dependently upon the relevant objects. Two different objects described with two different wave functions would be elements of different Hilbert spaces.

That means perspective transformations are only possible to the perspective of other objects within your defined Hilbert space, you cannot adopt a "view from nowhere" like you can with a background space, so there is just nothing in the mathematics of quantum mechanics that could ever allow you to mathematically derive this cosmic perspective of the universal wave function. You could not even define it, because, again, a Hilbert space is defined in terms of the objects it contains, and so a Hilbert space containing the whole universe would require knowing the whole universe to even define it.

The issue is that this "universal wave function" is neither mathematically definable nor derivable, so it only has to be postulated, as well as its mathematical properties postulates, as a matter of fiat. Every single paper on MWI ever just postulates it entirely by fiat and defines by fiat what its mathematical properties are. Because the Born rule is inevitable form the logical structure of quantum theory, these mathematical properties always include something basically just the same as the Born rule but in a more roundabout fashion.

None of this plays any empirical role in the real world. The only point of the universal wave function is so that whenever you perceive non-unitary evolution, you can clasp your hands together and pray, "I know from the viewpoint of the great universal wave function above that is watching over us all, it is still unitary!" If you believe this, it still doesn't play any role in how you would carry out quantum mechanics, because you don't have access to it, so you still have to treat it as if from your perspective it's non-unitary.

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 2 points 11 hours ago

Thanks for the in-depth explanation.

The way I see it, MWI is more of a philosophical idea. As far as I know, it’s impossible to test it, so currently it’s still firmly outside the sphere of science.

You pointed out some valid reasons why the future of MWI looks shaky, and I’m fine with that. If MWI falls apart, I’ll just move on to the next best thing. I just find MWI intuitively appealing, but I don’t have any strong reasons to believe it or reject it. As you mentioned, MWI doesn’t change the way you would carry out quantum mechanics, so currently it has no practical impact.

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[–] outerspace@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Jack the ripper, Shakespeare, WW1 & 2 (not)

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