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[...]

The roadmap will see a gradual removal of Russian oil, gas and nuclear energy from the EU markets in a coordinated and secure manner as the EU transitions to clean energy. EU countries will prepare national plans by the end of 2025 setting out how they will contribute to phasing out imports of Russian gas, nuclear energy and oil. At the same time, efforts will continue to accelerate the EU’s energy transition and diversify energy supplies.

[...]

The roadmap includes measures to:

  • gas: stop all imports of Russian gas by the end of 2027 by improving the transparency, monitoring and traceability of Russian gas across the EU markets. New contracts with suppliers of Russian gas will be prevented and spot contracts (for immediate payment) will be stopped by the end of 2025.
  • oil: take fresh action to address Russia's ‘shadow fleet’ (vessels employed by Russia to evade sanctions) transporting oil.
  • nuclear: restrict new supply contracts co-signed by the Euratom Supply Agency for uranium, enriched uranium and other nuclear materials deriving from Russia.

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[–] kbal@fedia.io 27 points 20 hours ago

I know these things take time but it seems overdue by about ten years.

[–] nawa@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (3 children)

By switching to Azerbaijan gas instead, which is of course so much better

[–] Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 8 hours ago

@arakhis_@feddit.org

The EU will much likely buy LNG from the US as indicated by the Commission.

@nawa@lemmy.world

@MoonlightFox@lemmy.world

[–] arakhis_@feddit.org 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

whats your realistic solution by 2027 or earlier

[–] nawa@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

I don't know. This is not a solution but a change from one dictator who already started a war to another one that hasn't yet. Not to mention the fact that Azerbaijan magically increased their gas production the moment the EU decided to phase out Russian gas. It's Russian anyway and Russia profits from it anyway.

There's no quick and easy solution. I don't have any suggestions. The EU wasted a lot of time already, best they can do is actually stick to their plans, gradually phase out any need for gas at all, and not waste any more time. Doesn't really matter where they are getting it from.

All I'm saying is this RU -> AZ switch is not an improvement from a moral point of view and most likely not in a financial sense.

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

It still hurts russia. Azerbaijan (or any other country proxying russian gas) will take a cut, and russia will almost certainly end up with less money for their gas than before. Strategically it's still not a terrible move. Long term we just need to phase out gas entirely, but that necessarily takes time.

Should've started a decade or two earlier, but you can't change the past.

[–] arakhis_@feddit.org 2 points 15 hours ago

Dont think the actions are intended to be about morality here

[–] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (4 children)

I'm probably ignorant, but why not? ~~They are not currently in a war with a democratic peaceful country as far as I know.~~

Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia%E2%80%93Azerbaijan_border_crisis_(2021%E2%80%93present)

[–] nawa@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

There's no direct conflict at the moment and while Azerbaijan did their ethnic cleansing in 2020-2023, one might argue it's been done inside their own borders so there's no issue in the global point of view. But Azerbaijan keeps threatening Armenia with an invasion unless Armenia agrees to an extraterrestrial corridor through their territory, and one might argue empowering Azerbaijan with more gas money and influence over Europe might lead to an open conflict.

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 3 points 20 hours ago

.. and they are not a crumbling but constantly threatening nuclear power with phantom pain and ambitions to regain a tight authoritarian grip on a large part of Europe.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Where's the gas coming from from 2027 onwards? Azerbaijan, US?

I don't think we (Canada) can build the infrastructure needed to supply that by 2027.

[–] Anonymaus@feddit.org 0 points 19 hours ago

usa and azerbaijan probably don't even sell their own oil but just resells the oil bought from russia

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I am truly delighted with this, as someone who will likely see a rise in costs as a result it is the right thing to do.

What I do not get is why Trump isnt championing this as the right move. He could create a huge LNG market and sell oil at a similar if not lower price given how much they have been refining in rcent years. I mean I get why but still.

The move to green is the way forward, the downside is the lack of interdependence creates room for discontent.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

What I do not get is why Trump isnt championing this as the right move.

Trump isn't aware of anything more than 1 foot from his nose. Frankly he doesn't need to be aware of this, the US Is already selling a crazy amount of LNG on the Global Market. Here's the graph of exports.

Oil is a different matter. The US can produce plenty of crude but is seriously constrained by refinery capacity. No new refineries of significance have been built since 1976 and all of the existing refineries are already working flat out. It's why the US was importing so much refined petroleum product (Gasoline, Diesel, etc) from Russia prior to the Ukraine war.

The move to green is the way forward,

[–] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 1 points 19 hours ago

Better late than never, I guess