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cross-posted from: https://poptalk.scrubbles.tech/post/2333639

I was just forwarded this someone in my household who watches our server. That's it folks. I've been a hold out for a long time, but this is honestly it.

They want me to pay to stream content that I bought from my hardware transcoded also on my hardware.

I'll say it. As of today, I say Plex is dead. Luckily I've been setting up Jellyfin, I guess it's time to make it production ready.

Edit: I have a Plex Pass. More comments saying “Just buy a plex pass” are seriously not getting it. I have a Plex Pass and my users are still getting this.

And for the thousandth person who wants to say the same things to me:

  • YES I know I'm unaffected as a Plex Pass owner.
  • My users were immediately angry at it, which made me angry. Our users don't understand what plex pass is, and they shouldn't have to, that's why I had it. The fact that they were pinged even though it should have kept working is horribly sloppy
  • Plex is still removing functionality. I don't care that "People should pay their fair share". If Plex wants to put every new feature behind a paywall, that's completely okay. They are removing functionality.
    • "But they have cloud costs". Remote streaming is negligible to them. It's a dynamic DNS service. Plex client logs in, asks where server is, plex cloud responds with the IP and port of where server is located. That's it.
    • "Good luck finding another remote streaming" - Again, Plex just opens up an IP and port. Jellyfin also just opens up an IP and port (Hold on jellyfin folks I know, security, that's a separate conversation). All "remote streaming" is is their dynamic dns. Literal pennies to them. Know what actually is costing them money? Hosting all of that ad-supported "free" content that they're probably losing money on.

In short, I don't care how you justify it. Plex is doing something shitty. They're removing functionality that has been free for years. I'm not responding to any more of your comments repeating the same arguments over and over.

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[–] WickedZebra66@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

Heloooooo Jellyfin!

[–] xodoh74984@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago

I don't see this talked about much anymore, but the day Plex added telemetry in 2017 was the day I became five-alarm desperate for an alternative. Had to wait a 2-3 years with Plex's telemetry IP's and domains blacklisted before Jellyfin was mature enough for me to make the change.

How Plex users can be comfortable with any telemetry is beyond me.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 34 points 3 days ago

So let me get this straight: you own the content, you host the content on your machine, you pay the electricity and internet and plex says it can't afford to let you share it to others without a subscription fee?

I mean making plex a one time fee if it's good turnkey solution is fine but subscription...

[–] Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 46 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Dropped this for jellyfin years ago

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[–] sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I started on Plex and even considered a lifetime Plex pass, but I felt like it was more interested in showing their content than my content. It was a lot of effort just to show music and movies.

My family and I use jellyfin every day now, and a key thing is it starts off boring but it shows your music, your movies, your books, your photos.

For folks who migrate who were paying, consider a donation to projects you make heavy use of. They don't usually have big companies behind them and can use the help.

Exactly how I've felt. I paid for a pass a long time ago, when they were actively making features for us server owners - but lately it's been a good 80-90% of their crap content and very little for server owners. I'm not even upset about their content really, it's just they blately have ignored everything else. It's shifted, and so I have to as well.

[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 66 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Oh no a paid, proprietary, piece of shit software does something shitty. Who could've ever saw this coming?!

I've said it for years anytime anyone mentioned running a Plex server. As soon as you install that on your server or your homelab it's no longer your server. Proprietary software is malware

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[–] ertai@programming.dev 8 points 2 days ago

Should have use libre software from the start my guy! Jellyfin / Kodi let's go

[–] EaterOfLentils@programming.dev 20 points 3 days ago

Enshittification marches on.

[–] RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The business model here is to basically paywall one user sharing (probably) pirated content with another person?

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[–] dezmd@lemmy.world 54 points 3 days ago (2 children)

"On 21 May 2008, XBMC developer Elan Feingold forked the source code of XBMC and started a new project called Plex"

GPL v2 source.

They've long been suspected of being greedy lil GPL violaters.

https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/2974

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[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 14 points 3 days ago

Been on Plex for years, I will be fully migrated to Jellyfin by the end of the week

[–] commander@lemmy.world 54 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The more users on Jellyfin the better shot it has at getting more developer attention and users willing to contribute financially even if just occasional one off donation. How it goes with any open source application. More users, more developer interest, more feedback from users, subset of users willing to financially support the project

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[–] glitching@lemmy.ml 108 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

not a plex user but someone buried the lede here... to me, this is the neon sign that screams GTFO:

we noticed that you've accessed libraries in the past

what business of yours is it to notice my private comings and goings?! what other actionable intel do y'all keep in your logs?! bye!

Not the brightest of those, imo: a while back they've opted their users in "discover together", which is basically sharing your watch history with your plex friends. That went over as well as you'd expect: https://www.404media.co/plex-users-fear-discover-together-week-in-review-feature-will-leak-porn-habits-to-their-friends-and-family/

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[–] 30p87@feddit.org 214 points 4 days ago (59 children)

I never got the idea of selfhosting but paying (except for enterprise-grade support or donations) anyway.

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[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 118 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (45 children)

Seems like it was only a matter of time.

20% more will jump to Jellyfin. The other 80% will entrench and talk even more about how great Plex is. I mean Jesus, $250 to watch pirated movies. lol wtf It's also fucking wild to me that people are defending a monetization model that is on self hosted hardware. Like, I gotta pay for my server and then a license to avoid buying DVDs. Fuck it, at this point just buy the fucking movie.

Ya'll are brain dead. Plex loves you tho.

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[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 164 points 4 days ago (56 children)

Lol "Your Friends at Plex"

get fucked, assholes, Jellyfin is better anyway

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[–] shan23@lemmy.world 87 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Guess it’s time to start using jellyfin and contributing

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[–] bktheman@awful.systems 39 points 3 days ago (15 children)

Thank you for posting this. I thought it was just me.

In my case, one user actually lost access entirely to my libraries, the updated app was trying to force him to buy a personal pass, even though I have a Plex pass.

I had him reset his app and clear cache, to no avail. I ended up having to REMOVE his access to my libraries, and then reshare them to him, before he could access them again.

He was quite upset at Plex during the entire process.

Then the next day, he got this same email, and was frustrated all over again thinking he was gonna have to fight it again.

Really terrible customer service here, very sloppy. Aside from the fact that this is a greedy cash grab, it's just being done poorly.

Jellyfin still isn't feature packed enough for me to switch to, unfortunately.

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[–] craig9@lemm.ee 16 points 3 days ago

Ditched this crapware for Jellyfin several years ago. Glad I did. It's been great.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I bought Plex Pass when it was $75 for the lifetime option.

I prefer Jellyfin, but sharing is harder for family members with it because I can't get them to just log in without existing credentials (Google Account, Apple ID, etc). Trying to convince my 67 year old mother-in-law to enter a URL, username, and password into an app with a remote is like asking my child to eat broccoli.

For now, I'll keep running dual stack with both. If Plex pulls lifetime passes, even though it'll be a PITA, I'll convert everyone to Jellyfin despite the pain.

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[–] HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com 53 points 4 days ago (10 children)

I've only ever used jellyfin and have no complaints.

I avoided plex and went with jellyfill because it's free/libre software.

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[–] veng@lemmy.world 39 points 4 days ago (5 children)

My bad, this is all because I finally decided to purchase a lifetime pass.

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[–] drspod@lemmy.ml 115 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Trying to monetize the piracy of your users. That's a bold business strategy.

Look, I know a lot of people could be using the sharing feature to share material that is in the public domain or that they own the copyright to, but let's be honest: most of that sharing would be considered an "unlicensed public performance" by the MAFIAA.

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