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[–] Auzy@aussie.zone 4 points 2 hours ago

Not sure about the c/c++ support, but zed has greatly improved and it's looking like a real long term alternative at this point

[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 hours ago

Maybe it's just me, but I never got that thing to work right anyway - with VSC. It keeps running amok and using up all the CPU time doing stuff it should not be doing, trying to analyze every single file in my VM every single time it is started.

So... good riddance.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 8 points 8 hours ago

Maybe we need a new movement (or revisit past ideas from the 70s) that focuses on ensuring the openness regarding freedoms of computing (😉) that combat proprietary SaaS offerings? idk.

This is why OSS as an org needs a change IMO. Licenses like SSPLv1, where software can be supplied for free with options that allow a company to make money without risk of a cloud vendor snapping up their software (think Redis, MongoDB, etc) need a place at the table.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 13 points 12 hours ago

They pulled the same thing with their widely used office format: base capabilities are standardised but most useful stuff is proprietary extension.

[–] cybrefool@lemmy.wtf 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Does Nano and GCC still work ok?

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 2 points 2 hours ago

Only if you are desperate or masochistic.

[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 21 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Good opportunity for Jetbrains to jump in. Maybe if they MIT licensed their community-edition tools.

[–] flubba86@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Jetbrains have gone the opposite direction unfortunately. The latest version of PyCharm came with the announcement that PyCharm Community is being discontinued. Instead, they will provide just one PyCharm (the closed source one) formerly PyCharm Professional, that can operated in a Basic (Free) mode, or a Pro (Licenced) mode. Also, some features that were free in Community edition will be moved to the Pro mode in the new PyCharm.

It doesn't affect me personally because my workplace pays for a pro subscription for me, but I used PyCharm Community for 4 years during uni and I'm sad it's going.

[–] carrylex@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

Not sure if you read this blog post: https://blog.jetbrains.com/pycharm/2025/04/unified-pycharm/

Rest assured – our commitment to open-source development remains as strong as ever. The Community Edition codebase will stay public on GitHub, and we’ll continue to maintain and update it. We’ll also provide an easy way to build PyCharm from source via GitHub Actions.

PyCharm is - like all JetBrains IDEs - based on intellij-community and the "Pro" stuff just some fancy pre-installed plugin that requires a license.

Alternatively, you may choose to manually switch to the new PyCharm immediately and keep using everything you have now for free, plus the support for Jupyter notebooks.

So all community functionallities will also be available in the unified edition for free.

Also the Pro license - which you can also get 4 free in like 10 different ways - pricing is extremely fair: A license costs $100-60 for an individual, which is cheaper than most streaming subscriptions...

[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Just came across another option. For those getting blocked by MSFT: https://theia-ide.org/

[–] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

University students get free pro licenses for jetbrains IDEs I think

[–] flubba86@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Yes you're right, they do. But 10 years ago when I was studying, my university (in Australia) was not on their list of valid academic institutions.

I still have access to my uni email address, and earlier this year I found indeed I could use it to get access to a free Jetbrains student licence.

[–] vermaterc@lemmy.ml 151 points 1 day ago (11 children)

A few things to point out:

  • Microsoft created this extension and pays money to develop it
  • Despite that, they give it to programmers for free. It is still free of charge.
  • They explicitly said that using it outside of their products is forbidden (according to article: at least 5 years ago), they just didn't enforce it
  • Someone (here: Cursor developers), despite that, used it in their products and started to make money from it

What exactly are you mad at? When will programming community finally understand that Microsoft is not a non-profit company and its primary purpose is to make money?

[–] PokerChips@programming.dev 1 points 14 minutes ago

Because a .vscode still pollute most open source projects. It"s annoying that they get people hooked on it that could use better tools instead.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 7 hours ago

Don't be upset it took people a long time to realize Visual Studio Code is fauxpen source, just be glad they're finally realizing it. No need to be condescending and make people feel ashamed over it.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 31 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

The problem is that they're killing competition. Treating a company with the market dominance of Microsoft like a normal company would be fatal for humanity. Because they are eliminating innovation by Cursor and they do not need to do this to finance their own innovation. Effectively, humanity gets less innovation by Microsoft doing this.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The problem is that they’re killing competition.

So, they pay to develop a product, for themselves, explicitly says "it's only for us, shoo shoo", and when they decide that their product, that they pay for, and provide for free to their user, should not be used by other, it kills the competition that did not do anything except take the product for free despite being told not to?

I'm not on the side of Microsoft for most things. But if doing nothing but taking someone else's free product qualifies to be competition that should be protected, we're having problems.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago

You're looking at it in isolation, I'm looking at it in terms of this being Microsoft, a company which has held humanity back for most of its existence, now retracting something where they did a decent thing for once.

[–] recall519@lemm.ee 19 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

But Microsoft developed it in the first place. It's perfectly within their rights to pull it and developers making money off of their work isn't bad either. I love a good pitchfork to corporate, but this is honestly fine.

[–] vivendi@programming.dev 14 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Well; companies used to get anti-trust laser canon'ed from orbit for less; but good luck with that in modern America

[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

I wholeheartedly agree that monopolistic practices should be nuked instantly, but I disagree that this was ever well enforced. Microsoft got away with murder in the 90's before they went to court and even then, feels like they got a slap on the wrist...

I think that this particular case is very far from that, but it does start to smell the same.

[–] Tarqon@lemmy.world 108 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

https://ghuntley.com/fracture/ Because pretending your editor is open source while moving all the important functionality to proprietary plugins is a bait and switch.

[–] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 13 hours ago

One that's worked for Microsoft many times before (docx, for example). Its their favorite loophole.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Embrace.

Extend.

~~Extinguish~~. Extract rent now that everyone lives in / depends on your proprietary ecosystem.

I'd say they can't keep getting away with it!, but history shows they clearly can.

Literally monopolist strategy 101.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 4 points 2 hours ago

This was all people were talking about when they bought GitHub. We've past the "Extend" stage now.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 59 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It's also blocked in VSCodium whose developers are not making money off it.

So that's not a nice thing.

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 11 points 13 hours ago

At least VSCodium cares about software licenses, (see it works both ways)

That Cursor (an AI focused) fork doesn’t shouldn’t be very shocking.

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[–] badmin@lemm.ee 25 points 21 hours ago

Microsoft

C/C++ extension

VS Code

so sad 🎤 🎻😢

[–] PushButton@lemmy.world 72 points 1 day ago

Oh, Microsoft is pulling the rug under your feet?

That's fuckin' news right there!

[–] MichaelMuse@programming.dev 4 points 15 hours ago

More and more engineers wok with cursor.

[–] EfreetSK@lemmy.world 66 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Here we go!!! I was expecting the enshitification of this thing for past couple of years

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

It was explicitly said to not use this outside of VSCode, so, I'm not sure where the surprise comes from.

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[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 25 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Good example why you don't want to use and rely on proprietary software (the extension is not 100% open source as I understand), if there are free (as in source code and license) alternatives.

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 19 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

A professor once told me “don’t trust ‘free software’ from a megacorp”, most important thing I learned in college.

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[–] chakli@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (6 children)

If someone is looking for an alternative, use the clangd extension. It’s much better compared to the Microsoft one. LLDB extension is good for debugging. Also works with gdb.

The only things I am lacking now is the one for remote, python.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 points 1 hour ago

I am trying to figure out how to get zephyr, platformio, and nrfconnect to work with clangd.

Platformio screams every second because Microsoft's tooling is a dependency.

Zephyr and nrfconnect work for many things, but things like including drivers from zephyr/drivers doesn't autofill which is annoying if you are searching for a driver that might exist in nrfconnect or might not because there are some differences. It also doesn't autofill macros and device tree defines.

If anyone has a good guide on how to set up clangd for zephyr, I would appreciate it!

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[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 36 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Developers developers developers

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