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[–] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 66 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 12 points 2 days ago

This knocks loose a memory for me. The instructor for the anthropology class that I took in college introduced the idea of natural categories versus cultural categories, and the example that he used was the category of things called "chair." It's a cultural category, which is defined as things that humans assign to the category somewhat arbitrarily.

A chair might be something for a human to sit on, like a wooden platform on four legs, with a vertical back for lumbar support. It may have armrests ("arms") or not. If it doesn't have a back, it's a stool. But stools can also have backs, like some barstools, if they have longer legs. But a director's chair has long legs, and a back, and is not a stool?! And then what of a papasan chair, with no legs, with the seat and backrest combined into one, curved platform?

If you sit on a stump around a campfire, that's kind of an improvised chair, defined more by the use than the shape. Then, put a collection of stumps around a table in a cabincore dining room, and now they are formally chairs.

In the other direction, the student union at my university is well-known for its colorful terrace chairs with a sunburst pattern on the back. It has a couple of 10-foot-tall versions for people to climb on (at their own risk!) for social media photo ops. Those are chairs, because of the shape, although they're not for a human to sit on.

And then let's not even get into lounge chairs, upon which you can be fully recumbent instead of sitting... Point is "biological female" is a natural category (sexually-reproducing organism bearing the larger of its species' gametes). It includes lizards and ferns, but not all of what we call women, because women is a cultural category. It's kind of arbitrary.

And yeah, intelligent people know this, and the "adult biological female" people are just trying to hide their bigotry. I just like to think out loud about it.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

TIL the creator of Father Ted is a bigot. Fuckin bummer. Why can’t these assholes keep their shitty opinions to themselves?

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He wrote an otherwise funny episode of the IT crowd, but the B plot involved violence against a trans woman. When he was criticized for it, the universe presented him with a choice:

  • reflect on one cheap joke, or
  • make it his whole identity
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[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I prefer the enemies out themselves.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I prefer they not exist, but I guess we can't have everything we want.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago

these are connected ideas, harder to non-exist a Nazi when they're not open about being a Nazi

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 86 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Born with the intention of holding eggs? Do they not know what the word intention means?

[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 55 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

$20 says it implies "intended by god".

These asshats tend to try and hide their religious bias, but it comes out like this every now and then, and they often don't realize.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If god intended for women to hold eggs, but many don't have the capability, did he fuck up?

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

honestly the idea of god being real but just.. kinda not being very good at what he does.. almost makes more sense than either him being real and perfect or not existing at all

like up until the abrahamic religions got it in their heads that god is perfect, it was quite standard for religions to 1) see their gods as imperfect and probably kind of being mercurial assholes who you moreso try to appease than worship, and 2) not be overly worried with the existence of other religions and whether their theologies are compatible

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You only think that because you still buy into some childhood training that God is real, it's really clear this isn't so by a simple collection of evidence. As a former high ranking Christian mystic I can tell you, you can replace God and Jesus with rocks and it wouldn't make a difference, a lot of my training turned out to be hypnotizing people. Which the church incidentally forbid participating in secular hypnotizing of any kind, training or being subject to. But also liminal state group think type of stuff. It's a bummer they turned a perfectly good self and group growth tool and all they do with it is rip off desperate people for money. What a stupid goal....

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

lol dude both my parents have been atheists their entire lives, i pretty much learned of the existence of religion at like.. 14?

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 14 points 3 days ago

IDK dude, god not existing at all still makes the most sense to me.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

If there's a God, why is he mad 12 year old boys masturbate? He didn't see that being an outcome when he made human males full of sex wanting hormones able and desiring daily sex? How shitty is he at his job?

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

how is anyone born with the intention of holding eggs?

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago

Jesus stuff

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 120 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

I didn't know it was possible for everyone to simply intend for their body to engage or not engage in such a bodily function. Interesting. /s

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 89 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Yeah, honestly, screw the meme reply, what the absolute holy hell is "the intention of holding eggs" in your body?

I mean, pretty sure that covers a whole bunch of trans women and decidedly not a whole bunch of cis women, but that's besides the point. What did she mean?

I fear there is a whole pseudoscientific terfy rabbit hole behind this and I don't want to fall down that hole, but I kinda need to know if it's a slip of the tongue or what.

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 53 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's just regular misogyny this time, in that they only see "real" women as capable of giving birth, and then tried to cover up medical problems that would get in the way of that with the word "intention".

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

There are fights where wonen say you are a "real" mother only if you popped it out through the vagina, so no c-section.

Some people have so little to be proud about I guess 🤷🏼‍♀️

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I intentionally ate an egg sandwich this morning, guess I’m a woman now

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[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 31 points 3 days ago (2 children)

To me, it seems like she was going to only say "capability of holding eggs," then thought about it and actually realized it would exclude some cis women, so she added "intention" as if it meant "would usually be capable of" but just used a bad word to imply that. I could be reading into it a bit much though.

Of course, that wouldn't work either, since that could then include or exclude people with various assortments of chromosomes in which it's undetermined as to if they would or would not typically have eggs, and would also just open a whole meta argument about how early in the developmental process there would or wouldn't be "intention" for that to happen, which is entirely subjective.

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[–] missandry351@lemmings.world 21 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Well, if it’s a biological being and it identifies itself as woman, I think it is a woman? That said, I have never met a non-biological woman, maybe some minerals that haven’t been discovered yet have genders?

[–] exasperation@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I got an extension cord that is non-biological and has a female end, does that count?

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

I'm reasonably sure it's also got a male end though.

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[–] Spezi@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In German, most minerals have a gender.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wait, most? I'm pretty sure all nouns are gendered in German.

[–] Spezi@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Depends if you count „Das“ (neutral) as a gender.

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[–] josefo@leminal.space 49 points 3 days ago

Huh, then menopause it's the moment when a cis woman turns into a cis man? No wonder they are super upset about the whole thing. The more you know, the full cycle of manhood is more complex than you know.

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 63 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I just intentionally ate 2 more eggs then normal today. What's going to happen to me?!1 am i going to get gregnat

[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 30 points 3 days ago

I'm sorry you found out this way. Prepare your preganante fund

[–] klemptor@startrek.website 18 points 3 days ago
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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

"Behold! I've brought you a [wo]man." -Diogenes

[–] mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.works 42 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Modern day Diogenese over here

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 32 points 3 days ago

Went to shop today to buy egg specifically til I am woman amazing

[–] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago

Behold, a woman

[–] mister_flibble@lemm.ee 25 points 3 days ago
[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 days ago

The US seems to have an eggsistential crisis.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is a really bad definition because it very obviously excludes people who transition to women later in life.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

That's intentional.
But it's also a really bad definition because it excludes most women over the age of 50.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Sounds like a problem for their doctor or a scientist, there isnt anywhere else it would matter about their biological status. So a woman is someone that says they are a woman.

[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

"It's complicated" is probably better for doctors and scientists. The other day I was filling out a "women only" medical form and about half of the questions were relevant to me.

And for a scientist, what exactly are they studying? For social science or psychology I'm an outlier no matter which gender or sex box you put me in; for reproductive stuff I'm closer to male but still somewhat of an outlier (because hormones); for various other medical things I'm closer to female (hormones again); neurologically idk, but there's evidence trans people tend to not match their AGAB here.

But yeah, normal people shouldn't care about any of that when just talking to me.

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