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[–] missingno@fedia.io 21 points 2 months ago (8 children)

I understand where people are coming from when they say "identity politics" are politics getting in the way of class struggle. I vehemently disagree with it, these are also important issues we need to stand up for even when they are sometimes unpopular, but I understand where it comes from.

But if she also thinks we shouldn't be talking about class either, what the fuck does she want to do?

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

woke is what republicans use to attack whatever they dont like, if a democrat uses woke, they arnt really a DEMocrat, alot of them have a veneer of being dem or progressive but they often use buzzwords of right wingers to justify thier positions.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Fighting Oligarchy resonates greatly. But yes, the dems have focused too much on the culture war in favour of participating in the class war against the working class.

That is definitely something they should put waaaay more focus on. Trump is the cry for help of much of the working class, if people would believe you actually fought FOR the working people in your country, the dems would be unstoppable.

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

THESE are the types of incumbents the DNC does not want primaried?! Holy hell.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 months ago

Of course. They don't want to fix things, they just want to be the ones getting the benefits.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 16 points 2 months ago

"I can't believe the country doesn't get this!? The Republicans won and they hate this stuff so we just need to be Republicans and then we can win!"

.... /wrist

[–] Venoregard@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Slotkin is a NEOCON.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Makes me wonder how many more senators in the democratic party have similar opinions. my estimate is at least %70

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[–] RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

And you're the problem

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Slotkin is the kind of Democrat who will be literally seig heiling at the DNC convention in ten years if the party continues to pursue the policies of capitulation that she is advocating for here. Four decades of this approach by this party has enabled the rise of US fascism we are dealing with now.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Whelp.

Guess Slotkin is getting a “collaborator” postcard from me.

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

bye felicia

[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Literally, the opposite of what they should be doing. And saying Americans are too stupid to understand a word like "oligarchy" isn't a good look, either.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

American number 1 priority would be to get out this 2 party system with ranked voting or something.

[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

Let's get back to our controlled opposition roots.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Slotkin just made herself part of the problem.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 13 points 2 months ago

Hey stupid you're doing it wrong. Going even more to the right isn't going to change jack shit. Listen to the people who are already willing to vote for Democrat if only the Democrat wasn't an idiot.

[–] UncleJosh@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

What are they going to do, ask MAGA to stop calling them "woke"? MAGA is all about bullying people, so saying "we don't like your name-calling" is only going to make it worse.

Grow a spine. Respond with "I know what woke means, so are you arguing against it from the racism angle or the ignorance angle?"

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (18 children)

Slotkin is the new Sinema and can GFY, but there is a component to this that does deserve some discussion.

If you look back on the past 10 years of the Democrats climbing hills for issues, I think it's out of sync with the majority of people. The staunch fight for identity politics is not what people seem to want or need right now, and they need to understand that. Maybe there was a time when this was what their constituents wanted, but no longer.

Now they need to be really fucking strong on fighting the billionaires, pushing back against the front to vast majority of the country that has no wealth, and finding ways to make that flip around so that the wealthy who are imposing the enshitification of the lower and middle class are held accountable for doing so.

Forget the current struggles we're forced to dread living through, and give people a clear plan and the hope that you'll actually be attacking these things when elected. Seems pretty simple.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

The staunch fight for identity politics is not what people seem to want or need right now, and they need to understand that.

They're paid a lot of money specifically so they don't understand that...

The entire reason for the culture war is to distract people from the fact that the wealthiest are fighting a class war.

You think she can't understand because she's not able to. It's a willful ignorance, and require lots of money for that cognitive dissonance

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[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

It's almost like she is insulting her fellow citizens.

The implication that I see (based on her statement) is that other people in her country lack the capability to comprehend the notion of oligarchy or they are too corrupt themselves to support anti-corruption reform.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nope, Elissa fails to realize US income distribution is a huge problem in the USA and the oligarchs are controlling it.

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