I am an atheist and gay. Will that be enough?
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Idk I'm not a woman so I'd have to work significantly harder
Being an apostate or heretic is super easy ;)
400 years ago? The church would kill me now.
Especially now. Or at least, there's a spot on a shared "bed" in an El Salvador prison for you where you'll die in short order.
Checked wikipedia. I found the following crimes that the church executed people for:
Being a (crypto) Jew, criticizing the papacy, being an atheist, saying Jesus was from Kongo, witchcraft.
Anyone else got some crimes to add? I don't count the local authorities executing someone for whatever a holy book says, but the Catholic/protestant/orthodox church did
Presenting myself as a parallel pope?
Is there an actual account of someone being executed for saying Jesus was from Kongo? I am not doubting they executed people for ridiculous reasons, but that one just stuck out to me as just... Was it just specifically Kongo or claiming he was from somewhere else than their scriptures claim?
Summary of Wikipedia: Kimpa Vita, burned as a heretic. Religious tenets among others: Jesus, Mary and Saint Francis were born in Kongo.
The real reason for being executed was probably because she was a threat to people in power, not that she claimed something silly.
I know it's slightly more than 400 years, but: Science, aka. heresy in those days.
Giordano Bruno, born Filippo Bruno; January or February 1548 – 17 February 1600)
He proposed that the stars were distant suns surrounded by their own planets (exoplanets), and he raised the possibility that these planets might foster life of their own, a cosmological position known as cosmic pluralism. He also insisted that the universe is infinite and could have no center.
Bruno was tried for heresy by the Roman Inquisition on charges of denial of several core Catholic doctrines, including eternal damnation, the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, the virginity of Mary, and transubstantiation.
Ahhh the good ole....wait a minute...
Buggery.
Do you have a wikipedia article? I'd like to read it.
Ah, sorry. I meant someone executed by the church for it.
My bad, have the tendency to take any online discussion initially as a joke.
https://stewardshipreport.org/englands-first-sodomy-law-saw-hundreds-put-to-death/
Not a wiki but had some good info. Couldn't find cited sources but checked out with the buggery act wiki page.
... witchcraft?
- Card carrying member of the Satanic Temple
- Atheist
- Software developer (witch)
Yup
I'm Christian and have donated to the Satanic Temple.
Their work strengthening the separation of church and state is excellent, and I fully support it. Separating church and state makes both institutions better.
Yeah, I agree.
Ima pull out my glowing magical slab of glass (phone) and get burned on a stake right then and there
cool, I think I qualify! yay!....?
My ass would probably get promoted for charity and then later axed (figurative and literal) for telling people the truth about sexuality, religious differences, politics, science, art, etc.
Being a priest is all about subtlety and deflection.
why would I hex fields and grind children's bone marrow into paste?
To be historically accurate, the catholic church only liked to kill its popes and other churches. It preferred converting regular people over killing them.
When it saw regular people killing each other for whatever reason, it only added a repentance tax.
To be historically accurate, the catholic church only liked to kill its popes and other churches.
What the fuck is this shit. The church conducted brutal campaigns of terror hunting down religious minorities or those accused of heresy and tortured them to extract confessions which they then used to justify more torture. Jews were frequently criminalized and forced out of countries in mass deportations at their own expense. And then there were, oh yeah, the Crusades military campaigns that brought death and destruction even to their own lands as crusaders looted and pillaged wherever they went, in one case even sacking Constantinople who they were supposed to be protecting.
Like yeah I guess "Believe everything we say and defer to our authority and we probably won't kill you" is technically better than just killing people, but that's not exactly a high bar.
a.k.a.
other churches
Only one gang is allowed a monopoly on violence.
If you define everyone you feel like doing violence towards as "an other church" then sure, but then the distinction is completely meaningless. Plenty of the examples I mentioned such as the inquisitions were used against people who were longtime, faithful members of the church. No one was safe.
Except for that one time when they told everyone to go to that place and kill everyone there to claim the land in the name of the lord. And that second time, and third, and fourth...
... I wanted to make a joke about there having been 10+ crusades but the I realised the wikipedia list of crusades INCLUDES MORE THAN A HUNDRED MILITARY CAMPAINS DIRECTY LED, INITIATED OR SUPPORTED BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!
trips over skeleton sticking out of unmarked grave by a residential school
Ow fuck! These things are everywhere!
"Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius."
"Kill them, for the Lord knows those that are his."
For some context, this was reportedly said by the papal legate before the massacre of a few thousand Catholics and Christian Cathars. Not only were they fine killing Christians, but the Catholics with them as well.
The Church was... not very coherent 4 centuries ago.
Well, just last week there are people that claim to be Catholic publicly praying for the Pope to die. So I guess it's still incoherent. But it was much more so 4 centuries ago.
Yes, the Inquisition was created to stop people from killing each other. But there were lots of places where they did the exact opposite of that. Yes, if somebody started a cruzade at that time they would very likely be excomungated, except for the few people that got support instead.
Too many of the 'right people' dying, is bad for religious business. (Make it make sense.)