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[–] Gryficowa@szmer.info 22 points 3 days ago

Their right-wing mind does not understand metaphors to reality so they don't see it

[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 60 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Right wing star wars fans probably love the empire and wish they were darth vader. Just because they like a piece of media doesn't mean that theyre interpreting it the way it was intended or the same way you are.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 13 points 4 days ago

They love the Punisher, but perverted the purpose of the fictional hero

[–] PolydoreSmith@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Alex Jones does exactly this. He’ll start talking about Star Wars, but it almost always turns into him doing a Vader voice saying he’s going to kill all the “globalists”. It’s a sight to behold, lemme tell ya.

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It’s also why they love the old Disney shit so much. Because in many of the old movies it’s the aristocracy who are being portrait as the good guys and who defend the peace from turning into anarchy.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Maybe we're not thinking of the same movies, but when I think of old Disney I don't see that pattern:

  • Snow White: an orphan girl, bullied by her step mom, flees into the woods to live with dwarfs, then becomes a princess because she's pretty.
  • Pinocchio: wooden puppet is given life by a fairy to reward its craftsman for being a good person.
  • Fantasia: artistic vignettes
  • Bambi: life of a deer.
  • Cinderella: an orphan girl, bullied by her stepmom, becomes a princess because she's pretty, with the help of a fairy who rewards her for being a good person.

To me it seems like the good guys are mostly attractive youths with a strong work ethic and no parents.

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[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 110 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Three possibilities:

  1. No they don't.

  2. They kinda do see some vague similarities (there is a prison) if they squint but it's different because reasons.

  3. They do but they think it's woke garbage anyway.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 42 points 5 days ago (8 children)
  1. There is no such thing as a "right wing" Star Wars fan.
  2. They cried when Palpatine died.
[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 59 points 5 days ago (10 children)

I'm sorry to inform you that there are right-wing Star Wars fans. Just as there are right wing whovians and trekkies and bronies. No it doesn't make sense but there it is.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 33 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Right-wing SW fans make more sense than right-wing Star Trek fans, at least. In SW they can root for the Empire, but ST is a post-scarcity utopia from the ground up.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Right wing Star Trek fans love the Mirror Universe. They're probably why someone thought it was a brilliant idea in Discovery to give Space Hitler a redemption arc.

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[–] KingOfSleep@lemmy.ca 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

At least 20% of ANY group is comprised of assholes.

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[–] MrVilliam@lemm.ee 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

It makes perfect sense once you realize that their media literacy is through the basement. Regular literacy too, I'd wager. 54% of adults (in America) read below the sixth-grade level. Source.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 9 points 4 days ago

This is a pretty interesting link. I knew the low literacy rate fact before, but from a different source.

The economic cost of low literacy in the U.S. is estimated at $2.2 trillion annually due to productivity losses.

Filing this under "conservatives are so stupid. so fucking stupid.". they want to save money by gutting education and that's just ass-backwards.

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[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 18 points 5 days ago

Bro, Paul Ryan likes Rage Against the Machine. I don't even know if sarcasm exists anymore.

It wouldn't surprise me if a Nazi likes Inglorious Bastards.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Unfortunately, yes there’s rightwing Star Wars fans. The GOP even made a video photoshopping DNC leaders at the imperial generals meeting on the Death Star and making Nancy Pelosi the person behind Darth Vader’s mask. They claim the Democrats are the evil empire and that republicans are the rebels.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Until Andor, Star Wars had paper-thin worldbuilding that let right-wingers see themselves as the Rebels.

Luke is a rural white boy who learns the true religion, which is being suppressed by the government. He uses his religious beliefs and skills honed as a farmboy to fight back. Han Solo is a businessman who just wants to make money moving goods from A to B, but the government keeps interfering, trying to destroy his business (and his personal property).

What are the rebels fighting for? Basically it seems to be about personal liberty and the right to practice their religion. If there's any ideology beyond that, the movies don't really get into it.

In most of the series, the empire is literally faceless. The storm troopers have full body armour that covers everything up. The Tie Fighter pilots have full helmets that cover their faces. The only people with faces you see on the empire's side are the generals and the emperor. That makes it really easy to have the empire represent anything you want.

Part of what makes Andor such a great series is that it puts faces to a lot of the mid-level people in the empire. You see their backstabbing, their jockeying for position, striving for promotion. It really shows what kinds of people work for the empire, and what the values of the normal people are, and why they might want to join the rebels instead.

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[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 80 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Media illiteracy is part of the reason they are right wing in the first place. They do not make those connections.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 36 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Also see: every conservative Trek fan

[–] StJohnMcCrae@slrpnk.net 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Their brains should be studied for science. How are they not crushed under the weight of their own contradiction?

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It might partially be that Worf's suggestion to shoot first and ask questions later tends to be the solution.

Or that TOS was progressive for the '60s but we caught up and passed it.

Or that Berman, who ran the franchise for the '90s shows, was actually pretty conservative and progressive messages had to be almost snuck past him.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Sadly some TOS seem progressive by today's standards because the GOP dragged society that far back.

I wonder if one day we'll say "Remember when Blade was a black guy? Ah the woke years."

I shudder at the thought

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 42 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Remember when Eric Trump compared the Democrats to the Resistance and thought that was a burn?

[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Strange how the felons kids have stayed real quiet in the last few months...

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[–] GrassCat@lemmy.world 51 points 5 days ago (4 children)

“Right-wing Star Wars fans” in for a rude awakening when they figure out who the Empire represents.

jfc

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[–] TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 43 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Actually (not so) funny story.. I had a neo-nazi kid in my class growing up.. like wear a nazi arm band to school level, and he was a massive star wars nerd. He actually liked the empire tho, so.. he'd be fully on board with this representation

[–] CallateCoyote@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago

I overheard two kids talking about how much they liked American History X in the late 90’s… they loved the curb stomping scene and how “badass” Derek was. Safe to assume they missed the point.

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The dismissiveness is intense, no matter the fan base.

“I can’t watch Star Trek any more because it’s woke.”

Star Trek is the original, ultimate woke TV. Since the original series, they’ve always incorporated the “woke” of their times, starting with the casting of Uhura. The cast of Roots is sprinkled throughout, which includes Avery Brooks and Lavar Burton. They didn’t quite make it with a female second in command, she ended up as Nurse Chapel instead. Even so, Star Trek TOS is pretty woke for the times.

I can’t imagine blinders aren’t worn regarding the Empire as well. Granted, this comes from recognizing authoritarianism for what it is.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

I poked my fan into the Star Wars Reddit fandom once, and it seemed like they hate Andor?

I was honestly baffled at the time. I’m not a huge fan, but it’s like the best Star Wars thing I’ve ever seen (with the runner up being kotor II)

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Honestly only ranks below the original trilogy for me. It's really fantastic on all levels.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago (3 children)

To me, the original trilogy is… ok.

That’s probably why I’m not in the Star Wars fandom, heh.

Still, Andor felt so fundamental, quintessential Star Wars.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

To me, the original trilogy is… ok.

The original trilogy has a very mythological feel that none of the other works have ever managed to fully capture (and, honestly, that feeling was on the wane even as early as Episode 6). I can name the modern works, outside of Star Wars, that have that atmosphere on one hand. It's a very delicate balance to get that atmosphere, and I think even the OT only succeeded at it by happy accident.

Still, Andor felt so fundamental, quintessential Star Wars.

I agree entirely. Can't wait to see Season 2!

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"The original trilogy has a very mythological feel"

I can't remember where I saw it, but I read something that part of why Andor feels so different to other Star Wars is that the original trilogy (OT) felt like a space opera — the characters exist on a stage, and the world around them ceases to be when the characters leave. This probably contributes to the "magic" of the original trilogy.

Andor, by comparison, has such strong world building and supporting cast that it feels like the world is real, and we only get a small glimpse into what's going on. My favourite minor character was the dude who hits the anvil-bell thing; he takes his job so seriously that it gives a ritual feel to the job, and I get the sense that this is an honoured role.

I don't think it's better or worse than the feel of the original trilogy — just different — but Andor is refreshing because far too much of Star Wars has captured neither the mythological magic of the OT, or the realism of Andor. I think Andor is the last piece of Star Wars that I care about, so I'll be devastated if season 2 is disappointing

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They won't believe anything that does not match their world-view. If you say the guy is innocent, they just say Fox news told them he was in a gang, and they treat that as a fact.

There is no way to get to these people, unless the GOP inflicts personal pain on them, and even then...loyalty and "purity" is everything to them.

EDIT: I'm having an existential crisis. I'm not sure I'm so dumb when I look at these people.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 26 points 5 days ago (2 children)

OTOH, look at all the Stormtrooper cosplayers, who actually have formal legions and get into character about defending the Empire the way Good Germans would about the Third Reich.

One problem with Star Wars is that it makes fascism look cool to enough of the public that the next generation of real-world Nazis approvingly quotes it. (Compare this with Doctor Who, whose in-universe fascists, the Daleks, are kind of pathetic and not something anyone would emulate.)

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The downside of the Daleks being kind of weird-looking is that people don't recognise them as fascists and so fascists happily keep watching Doctor Who (even though they hate everything about it and will write books about why it's being cancelled any day now).

It's no use depicting fascists in popular media, they don't recognise themselves in the villain.

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[–] IMALlama@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

The 501st legion, which is the biggest of these groups, was founded in 1997 so it predates the release of the prequels. If you're into building things, the stormtrooper armor is a lot more interesting than most of what is a available on the rebel side.

The 501st is all about Star Wars fans who like making costumes working to get others into Star Wars and giving back to the community.

I'm going to directly quote Wikipedia here:

Giving back to the community is one of the 501st Legion's highest priorities. Because of this, the 501st Legion proudly refers to themselves as the "Bad Guys Doing Good". Members regularly participate in events to raise awareness for charitable causes, from walk-a-thons to blood drives, and provide opportunities for fundraising through events such as their "Blast-A-Trooper" game, where donations are collected from the public to target armored characters with Nerf blasters.

In September 2016, the 501st Legion announced their commitment to a first-of-its kind international endowment in a unique partnership with Make-A-Wish. The 501st Legion Make-A-Wish Endowment Fund will allow Make-A-Wish America and Make-A-Wish International to grant more Star Wars-related wishes to children diagnosed with life-threatening medical conditions. The endowment fund allows Make-A-Wish to grant wishes, alternating between the United States and international locations every other year – a first for an endowment of this kind. The Endowment relies on contributions from its members, as well as the public. With a goal of $150,000 in the fund by 2021, the Endowment fund will grant wishes from the interest accrued; as the fund continues to grow, so will the number of wishes granted by the endowment.

The 501st Legion never charges a fee for an appearance, but they do welcome donations to a charity in honor of the Legion or the local Legion unit. If an event host does not have a charity of choice, Legion members frequently direct the donations to the Endowment Fund. In cases where the event host is itself a charitable organization, a donation is usually not accepted by the 501st Legion as they volunteer their time for that charitable organization.

In 2016, the members of the 501st donated over 182,000 hours of community service, raising over $889,000 USD in direct donations, and participated in events that helped raise over $46 million for charities worldwide

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 17 points 5 days ago

Pffft. Law&Order types love Robin Hood stories for their kids.

It fits in with the 'it's okay to break the law when we do it' mindset.

[–] Kurious84@eviltoast.org 11 points 4 days ago

Yeah no shit. Everyone's friggin asleep. Nobody realizes what they see is not some master plan or 4d chess. It's consolidation of power for something very different than a democracy. A battle with the tech billionares afraid of death and a morally rotten to the core chewy center authoritarian up your heiney.

[–] derry@midwest.social 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not the ones that thought The Boys superheroes were the good guys.

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In andor the empire didn’t propaganda Photo of him with margaritas to appease the boot lickers

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Um, but... isn't this the guy who murdered several guards and robbed star wars fort knox though.

Like, maybe killing cops and stealing from the government isn't the most heinous crime, but he's hardly wrongly accused. I'll concede that they pegged him by accident and for different reasons -- but if anything, the moral is "arrest enough people at random and you'll get the real criminals too."

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

Um, but… isn’t this the guy who murdered several guards and robbed star wars fort knox though.

What are you talking about? He's just a tourist!

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