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[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 53 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Anyone who thinks violence has never solved anything should open a history book

[–] sevenOfKnives@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 6 days ago

The credible threat of violence is often much more powerful than violence itself. See unions, the civil rights movement, mutually assured destruction.

Society is very often an implicit contract of "do what we want or else." Without the "or else", the powerful have no reason to listen.

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

violence doesn't "solve", it is about eliminating the problem.

It's their failure to solve or even recognize and formulate the problem that pushes some people to use violence.

[–] bash@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

Honestly, yes. Dunno why you were sittin' at a healthy karmic 0 because that is literally what violence is for. It doesn't solve a problem, it staunches it for the current government. Violence isn't a solution even when people think it is; it's a fascist band-aid

[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 53 points 6 days ago (1 children)

A more accurate morality would be "Violence should never be the first course of action".

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Violence should never be employed

  • against someone who is not harming you or infringing on your rights

  • against a party genuinely willing to negotiate

  • when your use of violence will seem excessive to onlookers such that they will turn against you

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Can't discuss a fascist away, but you can get rid of him by violent means. Violence is sometimes morally acceptable if not outright required even.

[–] Slam_Eye@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Who has the moral authority to decide when or when not to use violence?

[–] Bgugi@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Usually whoever has the most accumulated violence. History is written...

[–] scratchee@feddit.uk 1 points 4 days ago

Moral authority is always dubious, violence or not.

[–] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 24 points 6 days ago (4 children)

We failed to make Russia bend the knee with soft power.

Rearming Europe, after decades of trying without, is necessary because there's an ongoing war in Europe.

We overestimated our influence without an army, and that's even with the army of turkey and USA on our side in case we'd get attacked.

Violence is necessary, just unwanted. If someone hits my wife then I'm not going to use my words to solve the situation.

It's complicated because if you give everyone a gun, then there's a shooting happening every day. Give nobody a gun, then we don't know how to defend our countries.

Pros and cons to be outweighed, depending on the larger context.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There's a reason why we're taught about MLK instead of Malcolm X.

They're well aware of how little nonviolent protest accomplishes in the end.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

A very good example of an exception, no doubt. Shall we tally up the number of times it took violence to drive out the British, though?

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm not against violence as a solution. It just shouldn't be the first solution you come up with, or the second.... Or the third.

Violence as a solution is a last resort.

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[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

violence is never the solution, but it works in a pinch for sure : )

Of course the solution to peace is not having war, but if someone attacks you, don't just stand there and do nothing.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago

Yep. Violence isn't the solution, it's the last resort.

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[–] krull_krull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 days ago

For everyone who says something like that, i try to remind them of this little things called WWII

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (3 children)

How about this:

Violence is never a good solution but a necessary one and one any functioning government will prevent its populous from using against themselves or else they would no longer function as a a government so the best we can ask for is a government that does the least harm and considering we have had a longer span of peace than any preceding civilisation then we can conclude a violent uprising would cause more harm than good so we should except the status quo given it's net benefit to the collective, however there will inevitably be those who society is less beneficial too so much so that a revolution would be beneficial but the individual cannot rule the collective because that would be a dictator and no stable society could exist when one man has grievances against it can dismantle it so we must always weigh the the against the benefits heavily before considering any sort of rebellion while simultaneously keeping in mind the overwhelming likelihood that it will outright fail given the powerful by definition have more power than the weak and include the resulting loss in our calculation.

What do you think? To wordy or will it catch on?

[–] konalt@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

I found some of these on the floor, I think you dropped them: ,,,,,,.,.,.,,.,,,.,.,

[–] Atmoro@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The equalizer is Collective Power of all the people uniting in-person and online

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[–] GiveOver@feddit.uk 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm gonna need this in meme form with no more than 15 words

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago
[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 15 points 6 days ago

Self defense is a thing. I notice most these comics that end up on my front page pretty much suck. Oh a .ml post. I see. Is there a non .ml version of "comics" somewhere?

[–] TheFudd@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Complete the following sentence:

"Live by the sword, ___ __ ___ _____."

[–] tourist@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

shit on my chest

[–] konalt@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

fish on my couch

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Oh, bullshit.

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Violence is only the answer when violence is already employed and you need to defend yourself. Ukraine is allowed to be violent against the aggressor. Police is allowed to be violent against insurrectionists.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But are the people allowed to be violent when the police use excessive force?

...cuz the cops be doing that a lot

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