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Stumbled across this quick post recently and thought it was a really good tale and worth sharing.


A couple of weeks ago, I saw a tweet asking: "If Linux is so good, why aren't more people using it?" And it's a fair question! It intuitively rings true until you give it a moment's consideration. Linux is even free, so what's stopping mass adoption, if it's actually better? My response:

  • If exercising is so healthy, why don't more people do it?
  • If reading is so educational, why don't more people do it?
  • If junk food is so bad for you, why do so many people eat it?

The world is full of free invitations to self-improvement that are ignored by most people most of the time. Putting it crudely, it's easier to be fat and ignorant in a world of cheap, empty calories than it is to be fit and informed. It's hard to resist the temptation of minimal effort.

And Linux isn't minimal effort. It's an operating system that demands more of you than does the commercial offerings from Microsoft and Apple. Thus, it serves as a dojo for understanding computers better. With a sensei who keeps demanding you figure problems out on your own in order to learn and level up.

Now I totally understand why most computer users aren't interested in an intellectual workout when all they want to do is browse the web or use an app. They're not looking to become a black belt in computing fundamentals.

But programmers are different. Or ought to be different. They're like firefighters. Fitness isn't the purpose of firefighting, but a prerequisite. You're a better firefighter when you have the stamina and strength to carry people out of a burning building on your shoulders than if you do not. So most firefighters work to be fit in order to serve that mission.

That's why I'd love to see more developers take another look at Linux. Such that they may develop better proficiency in the basic katas of the internet. Such that they aren't scared to connect a computer to the internet without the cover of a cloud.

Besides, if you're able to figure out how to setup a modern build pipeline for JavaScript or even correctly configure IAM for AWS, you already have all the stamina you need for the Linux journey. Think about giving it another try. Not because it is easy, but because it is worth it.

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[–] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 113 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The reason is that Linux usually doesn't come preinstalled. I'm pretty sure at least 50% of the users wouldn't even notice they have Mint Cinnamon instead of Windows on their Laptops.

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd crank that up to like 80% Linux users somehow always seem to overestimate how tech savvy most people are.

I'd say 50% of users can't tell you what an operating system is. maybe more. and ya'll expect those people to be able to CHOOSE a Linux distro and actually install it. no way. that's way way too much to ask of the average end user.

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago

Jorge Castro of Universal Blue (Bazzite, Bluefin, Aurora) likes to say that normal people don't install operating systems. And he's totally right.

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I’m 💯 sure at least 99% of steamdecks run the ootb steam Linux

[–] vaionko@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I know a guy running windows on a steam deck. Absolutely mad

[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 week ago

What a pervert.

That's like buying a Ferrari and dropping in a Lada engine.

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[–] Drewmeister@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

I don't use Linux. I'm here from /all. I last attempted Linux probably around 2006 or so. The biggest thing I remember was driver support being awful. I guess it's a lot better now?

My biggest hurdle to making the switch is that it takes effort. It's not because I'm lazy; it's because I don't see any need to put in effort. Because I already have an OS, and it works fine. I know that to some, particularly in this community, there are a lot of things about Windows to complain about, but the vast majority of users can't come up with a list of things that bothers them about their daily OS. If my computer already had Linux on it, I'd probably feel exactly the same way.

[–] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just made this same basic point in response to another comment, but this is exactly right. It takes effort to learn anything new, and that effort isn’t always worth it to people. But that alone doesn’t make using Linux “hard.”

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Exactly, my wife struugles with tech. She hated windows and how it did unexpected things that made no sense. I put Linux on her computer, she doesn't bug me with complaints now since it operates the same every day.

[–] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (6 children)

And that’s all most people want from a computer, yet Windows always throws a curve ball at some point.

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[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

I was a Windows user for around 30 years and loved it. But I got so frustrated with Windows that I switched. My computer didn't feel like I was the one in control of it anymore, and I hated that.

I'm very happy on Linux, now.

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[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

And Linux isn't minimal effort. It's an operating system that demands more of you than does the commercial offerings from Microsoft and Apple. Thus, it serves as a dojo for understanding computers better. With a sensei who keeps demanding you figure problems out on your own in order to learn and level up.

Counterpoint: most people don't use Linux because the people that evangelize Linux talk about it like this.

I don't want to "level up," I want to accomplish my tasks. I'm trying to get shit done, not train for a fucking tournament.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think people that talk like this overstate the difficulty of Linux. There are easy distros that won't trouble the average user.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'm the laziest man on earth and I use Mint, way less hassle than windows for example. So if you have never used either, you can safely go with Mint IMO.

If you gave spent 20 years on windows, then it's another story.

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[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Things have also gotten easier since I started 15 years ago

[–] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Waaaay easier on a longer timeline too! I first used Linux in the late 90s when the things the author of this piece talks about were true. You really did need to understand more than an average computer user just to get Linux installed.

That hasn’t been the case in a long, long time now, at least not with the easier distros.

What articles like this often fail to discuss is that Windows took effort for everyone to learn at some point too. Same with macOS. Same with your smart phone.

Learning anything requires effort, and not everyone wants to invest that effort - which is totally okay if they already get what they need from whatever they’re already using. But I wish that people would stop exaggerating how hard Linux is to learn simply because it will require effort.

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[–] tiramichu@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Exactly this.

I'm a software dev and also a Linux user, but that doesn't mean I want to spend my precious time messing around with the OS trying to solve problems.

I see the operating system as a tool I use to accomplish the things I actually want to do, which is writing my code for my projects, just the same as I see a car as a tool to get me from point A to point B.

If Linux was complicated to set up, or always broken, or requiring constant work then I wouldn't use it, no more than I'd tolerate a car which is broken down and in the shop every other week. But fortunately, Linux is none of those things.

Modern Linux mostly "just works", and it's really counterproductive to talk about Linux like it's hard or you need to be a deeply invested techie to use it.

[–] BoulevardBlvd@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago (5 children)

See, you have people like you all over saying "Linux just works" and then you have other users here saying "I have to spend an hour fixing my computer running one of the most user friendly distros every single time the power goes out". I don't know who to believe but both cannot be true simultaneously so which is it?

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

because most people use what comes installed and apple and microsoft dominate that.

then again, considering apple is based on unix you could argue that anyone with apple does use a version of it

[–] andMoonsValue@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

This is the obvious right answer. If computers shipped with Linux mint most consumers wouldn't notice the difference.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I started using Linux as a liberal arts major in the late '90s. Both my grandparents (RIP) and my parents (partial RIP) kept having issues with Windows on their computers. I was constantly being called to help them with crap. 20+ years ago I asked if I could try something and they didn't care, as long as it worked. Debian and XFCE. Configured their email, hooked up the printer. Suddenly the service issues went from several times a month to once every 5+ years. And 90% of those issues just was clearing out the printer queue. I have never once understood the LiNuX iS OnlY FoR suPer TeCH NeRDS bullshit.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (19 children)

The UIs and UXes in Linux are still shit and look like they are from 1998. Engineers are not great designers. I design UI and UX for windows and Android for a living. I'm not professionally educated in design, but I know how to make a GUI look like it wasn't a collab by Mattel and M.C Esher for use on a museum computer. That goes for apps and system features. The Bluetooth device GUI in Linux Mint is fuckawful:

Being able to consistently install things by downloading an exe from a website and just double click it is lacking.

The names of Linux software are also regularly dumb. Trying to be punny, clever, or cool. If it resized images, just call it Image Resized For Mint or something, not "Nautilus" or Nemo", they are forgettable and tell me nothing about the app "Uhh, it was something ocean themed, I think". (This is true of Windows apps as well, Audacity, Figma Director, and Irfanview, I'm looking at you)

Apps "forgetting" the last-used settings, inc last used save file path, or user config, is a common issue too. Out of the box, apps should remember last-used settings without having to be told.

Window focus interfering with key capture is an issue too. Use Flameshot (a screen capture app) to take a region screenshot of a right-click context menu in another app - you can't. Greenshots on windows does it fine.

I still persist with Mint, but the process is further from 'Seamless' than even windows 11, the shitshow it is.

Maybe I just hate all operating systems.

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[–] commander@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Path of least resistance is at the electronics store and general support from marketed software. So lack of Linux hardware in stores and lack of well marketed software

20 years ago Apple at least had store presence and had their own software as major draws, Final Cut Pro, GarageBand people loved, and really as a brand MacBook's are/were fashionable

Linux is widespread in software development and data science. It's mainstream draw is still developing. Could be games. It could maybe someday be seen as the choice for content creators if the selection of media creation/editing continues to improve and have their Blender/Krita rise. Talking like Kdenlive, Ardour, GIMP, etc

[–] DimFisher@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What issues are you all talking about? I m a Linux user for eleven years now, the only issues you may have with them are only in the beginning when everything is not installed or sometimes not everything is perfectly installed and set up, once you finish with that you may get bored by how extremely stable they are, you just do your work and that's it, and they stay like that forever, the only reason people are using windows is because they are pre installed, that's the only truth.

[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (9 children)

To be fair, i installed linux on an old laptop and i just cannoy get the wifi to be reliable. I found myself reading about the minutia of intel wifi drivers and how wifi works in detail just to try tonsolve this issue.

I outright gave up on getting a printer to work.

This is an unrealistic experience for most people who just need a tool that works. Life is too short.

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[–] Radium@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

See...

The RTFM condescending, contemptuous attitude doesn't help.

A lot of us are not teens, or 20 somethings, and have other responsibilities and duties.

We just want the shit to "Just Work." We don't want to research why the last version upgrade broke the graphics driver, or why our printer doesn't work anymore, or any of that stuff.

Granted, the distros that try to fix this have advanced light years over the last actual 20 years, but it's still not good enough.

And yes, I have my "Compiled From Scratch Arch" membership card. Never again.

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[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago

Man, I wish the Windows-only shop I support as a sysadmin "just worked." I spend the majority of my time troubleshooting random Windows issues.

Driver issues, firmware issues, Teams breaking, Outlook breaking, SharePoint and OneDrive sync issues, Edge freezing/crashing, UI scaling issues, routine updates failing, random connectivity issues, random audio issues, printer issues...

I won't lie, my Linux computers have random issues too, but way less often than the Windows machines I have to support every day. And when I encounter the Linux issues, I actually can fix them in a way that is permanent almost always.

Windows on the other hand, I typically fix and then the same problem starts happening again a few months later after an update, or the only "fix" that works is restarting the computer several times in a row.

To be fair to the Windows defenders, Windows 11 has easily been the worst for this in my experience. Windows 10 was more stable, and Windows 7 was even better. XP had lots of random issues, but back then you could still get under the hood pretty easily and make Windows do what you wanted.

Every personal device I have runs Linux and has for several years. I removed Windows completely from my life thank God, and I can't imagine going back. I honestly would be more likely to stop using computers altogether before I went back to the horror show that is Windows/Microsoft.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

And Linux isn’t minimal effort. It’s an operating system that demands more of you than does the commercial offerings from Microsoft and Apple. Thus, it serves as a dojo for understanding computers better. With a sensei who keeps demanding you figure problems out on your own in order to learn and level up.

I don't think this is true unless you're digging in. For the average person doing everyday things, using a Linux Mint installation isn't going to be any more complicated than using Windows. Just different, with some new patterns to learn. I don't know about MacOS since I've never felt moved to pay the entry fee to use it.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago

The average person has never installed an operating system in their entire life.

Just the simple act of installing Mint is a lot more effort than the average user has ever put into computing.

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[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Let them eat ads

[–] Puzzlehead@reddthat.com 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well android uses Linux I found out.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

Yes, I think the biggest hurdle for Linux is the tech crowd giving it a reputation for being difficult

[–] Harlehatschi@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well yes but also no. There are quite a few distros that are "minimal effort", they just work for the average person without any more knowledge you'd need on Windows or Mac. The last part that's still not so "minimal effort" is gaming, most things just work out of the box, some things don't. Btw Android is Linux.

So I don't think that the problem is that Linux needs a little more knowledge or effort, because it mostly doesn't, but the fact that most people who would switch see a billion different distros and don't know what to do. Having so much choice here actually hinders people from coming to Linux. Doesn't mean it would be better with less choices, it's just one of several reasons why we don't see mass adoption.

Another reason is the outdated thinking that Linux is complicated to use (and this blog fuels just that).

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[–] highball@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Worst take ever. Outside of Desktop, Windows gets dominated by Linux. Even on Azure, Linux is the number one OS over MS's Windows Server. Windows is free on IoT and still Linux dominates. So what makes Desktop different? 30 years of Microsoft's vendor lock-in strategy. All the OEMs have to invest into Windows because they have to take the volume licensing deal from Microsoft or be priced out. This ensures Windows engineering efforts for drivers, software, and testing. Because the machines were Windows, 3rd party hardware and software had to invest into Windows as well. When there is no vendor lock-in, Linux receives the money for engineering efforts and dominates Windows. Nobody complains about having Linux on their Smart TV. Right, because the money for engineering efforts are not forced to be put toward Windows. How many people are switching their Steam Deck to Windows 80%? 50%? 10%? 1%,? more like ~0.1% switch. The money is there to make a great experience and so there is almost no reason to switch. It's only the tech nerds that are installing OSes. Average people don't even know what Windows or Linux is. When Microsoft loses it's lock-in strategy, Linux will take over. Nobody is choosing Windows for Desktop. It's just what comes on the machine at the store.

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[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But most people do use Linux; Android is the most common OS, isn’t it?

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