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Among the reciprocal tariff levels Trump announced:

China: 34%

European Union: 20%

South Korea: 25%

India: 26%

Vietnam: 46%

Taiwan: 32%

Japan: 24%

Thailand: 36%

Switzerland: 31%

Indonesia: 32%

Malaysia: 24%

Cambodia: 49%

United Kingdom: 10%

Rest of the world: 10%

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[–] houseofleft@slrpnk.net 76 points 1 day ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (6 children)

In case anyones looking at this and asking question like "Why has Cambodia been dunked with 49% when they're clearly not a competitor to the US" or "Why is Trump claiming that the European Union has a 40% tariff on the US when the actual mean tariff on US goods into the EU is less than 5%", here's your answer to how these figures have been calculated.

  • Take the US trade deficit with a given country (eg. China is $292bn)
  • Take the total good imported by US (for China that's $439bn)
  • Divide the first figure by the second! Why? Who knows! It's a number! Less talk more first grade arithmetic (if you're still following that gives us 67%)
  • That gives us a random number which we'll pretend is that country's tariff of US goods even though it's completely unrelated in every way. We'll divide it by two to get the new tariff rate for imports from that country. Why? Honestly if you're still expecting there to be an answer to that question I'm wondering if you've been following. (that gives us 34%, well actually it gives us 33.5% but I'm not sure the Trump administration understands the idea of fractions so we'll just round it up from there)

The "reason" behind this is that Trump seems to think trade deficits are really bad, which is bad news for the US because it's had a trade deficit for the last 50 years. We'll ignore the fact that based on GDP it's been the wealthiest country in the world for that time though.

Anyway, just to give everyone an idea of how completely, utterly unrelated to anything meaningful that figure is, let's take Cambodia. The country is very poor compared to the US so can't afford to buy anything that the US manufacters (Cambodians aren't driving round in Teslas or IMessaging each other). Some US companies use it for clothing manufacture because labour is cheap in Cambodia (see the previous bit about Cambodia being much poorer than the US). This means that Cambodia imports close to nothing from the US compared to what it exports, giving it a close to 100% trade deficit, so we wind up with a 49% tariff on Cambodia.

I genuinely don't understand the mindset that looks at the US's explotation of cheap labour in Cambodia and interprets the US as the victim in that relationship, but hey-ho maybe I'm just not biggly-smart enough to understand the 4d chess moves at play here. . .

Reference (because unfortunately none of what I said was made up and that geniunely is the calculation): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/03/trumps-idiotic-and-flawed-tariff-calculations-stun-economists

Edit: After making fun of Trump for not understanding the enconomy, I went and conflated per capita GDP with GDP. Doh! Now corrected.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why does he think tariffs are equal to trade deficits?

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Run headfirst into a brick wall a dozen times and then maybe you will start to understand

[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Putting on my best swiss cheese brain, maybe they are treating it 'like a business' and trying to do debt to income ratio? So our deficit is the debt then they look at tariffs on the imported goods as the income.

Do you know if this holds for other countries too?

[–] houseofleft@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I honestly have no idea, maybe? Deficit isn't really debt though, it just means you bought more than you sold. The US isn't in debt to Cambodia any more than you're in debt with McDonald's. They just have a one way buy/sell relationship.

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[–] FortyTwo@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

Me, checking what the damage is: oh good, my European defence stocks went up 2 to 4 percent today while the American stocks are tanking, happy days!

Me, after thinking on it a bit longer: oh God, my European defence stocks went up while the world economy is taking a hit, better get ready for whatever's coming

[–] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 22 points 1 day ago

Putin's bitch trying to further destabilize the world for daddy.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 day ago
[–] elatedCatfish@lemm.ee 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Trump clearly has some feelings about Vietnam. He used his “bone spurs” excuse to avoid being sent over there back in the day. Lmao

What a pussy

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[–] Casteyes@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago
[–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Been browsing the conservative subreddit this morning just to see what they all are thinking. There is a surprising number of "This is a terrible idea" comments but its also funny seeing a whole bunch of republicans who now suddenly like higher taxes, inflation and stock crashes.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Pls 100% world wide tax.

I like to go straight to the "Find Out" phase.

👀

(Remember, when the great depression happens, its our duty to eliminate nazis)

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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't have a ton of "the court is wrong" opinions, but Article 1 section 8 of the Constitution flatly gives Congress the responsibility of regulating trade and imposing tariffs. The President just doesn't (shouldn't) have the authority to change rates. The executive needs to execute the will of the Legislative branch.

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[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think these are reciprocal. I think these are unilateral, and when countries respond, their tariffs will be reciprocal. The distinction is very important. This is a problem created by Trump, not by other countries. You don't get to choose false language to describe it that shifts the blame.

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[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 107 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Ironically crashing the economy is one of the best things you can do to slow down climate change

[–] Cocopanda@futurology.today 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Lost my job this week at an engineering firm in green tech. Let it burn.

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[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Did you happen to notice the one country not on the list?

Here I’ll give you a hint it’s name starts with an “R” and is run by a man who’s name starts with a “P” and is currently at war with a country that starts with a “U”…

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Wait what?

President Paul Kagame of Rwanda declared war on Uganda?

~/s~

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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 23 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Curious that Russia is missing

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[–] prex@aussie.zone 45 points 1 day ago
[–] dovahking@lemmy.world 117 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Conveniently left Russia out. I wonder why.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 81 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Russia and North Korea.

It's official. We are the baddies now.

[–] j_elgato@leminal.space 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

GlObAL ReCESSioN

Can they fucking stop threatening us like we’re stupid children? Life has been getting more expensive worldwide for a decade and we all know now who is to blame.

I don’t fucking care about new toyota prices in the us, I want to buy potatoes in poland. Fuck off with your recessions and bullshit economies.

[–] Decq@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Can they fucking stop threatening us like we’re stupid children? Too be fair.. The majority of those who voted are clearly stupid (not as stupid as a child though, a rock would be a better description) . So it's fair game of them to make use of that statistic.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

isn't this just going to fuck up the US economy rather than meaningfully affect any other country? you don't fucking produce anything worth a shit anymore.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump has no idea how the economy works, his wealth is propped up by Russian oligarchs laundering money through his assets.

This move is almost certainly being directed to him through foreign agents the traitor has as advisors (though they consider themselves handlers) on behalf of Putin and other regimes hostile to the US who back door'd their way into the situation through his greed and lack of morality.

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[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The overabundance doesn't just vanish. When the poor have less, the wealthy have more. There may be more homeless people fighting over food but the billionaires will be able to get a fleet of yachts.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well well well, we finally fell off the cliff, didn't we?

Starting a trade war with the entire world, easy to win, right?

If the entire world reciprocates, which they will, you will literally wish you had just a recession to worry about. I wonder how Trump's approval ratings will be about a month from now

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump doesn't care about approval ratings. He has a "golden parachute" waiting for him and his buddies in Russia after he destroys America.

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[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 326 points 2 days ago (22 children)

Is he using a random number generator?

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[–] lumony@lemmings.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We need a tariff on the ruling class.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

90% income tax over a certain amount. This was how they did it in the 50s….you know the days republicans keep citing as the “good ol days”

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 227 points 2 days ago (9 children)

“our country has been looted, pillaged, raped, plundered”

by other nations selling their goods to us cheaply, and by them accepting our Dollars that cost us nothing to make for it!!

I don't think Trump understands the benefits and privileges for USA of having the top international reserve currency.
But maybe if he ruins it quick enough, he may find out?

Play stupid games and win stupid prices.

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[–] thejml@lemm.ee 209 points 2 days ago (8 children)

A lot of people’s lives are about to get more expensive… again.

Is this winning?

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[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Trump announces "Things aren't expensive enough."

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 87 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Boycott the USA. Do not consume American products. Do not travel to the US. Cancel your subscriptions, find alternatives or pirate their software and media. Make Americans tourists feel unwelcome.

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[–] PurpleSkull@lemm.ee 58 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Thanks for typing out the percentages, so far I've only seen emotional news reports about it without any detailed info.

Are these tariffs on ALL goods from a certain country? Eg, does 34% on China mean 34% on ALL Chinese goods or just certain ones like cars?

Well, one of two things will happen now.

  • The US economy will recede by roughly 30% over the coming years (classified by economists as "catastrophic collapse")

  • It will turn out that trade was "fake and gay" all along and autarky is the way to go, despite centuries of historic lessons to the contrary.

Take your pick.

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[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

In 2020, I thought Covid might crash the economy. You know, history repeats itself. But oh, was I wrong; it'll all be caused by a single fuckwit which deserves to be tortured.

Fuck anyone involved in making the world a worse place. I hope they all die in fucking agony.

[–] Riprif@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

The crash in 2020 was twice as deep as it should have been. The markets were spooked by a president repeating conspiracy theories instead of reassuring people while health organizations were scrambling and panicking.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (5 children)

US dollar in absolute freefall. Thursday is going to be a bloodbath when the market opens.

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 129 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (16 children)

I mean, this will suck in rhe short term, but these companies will exit the U.S. market if it gets to be uneconomical, and we'll be fucked, not them. Trump's I Am sO sMaRt comments all the time will make him look like an even bigger idiot than he already does.

If we actually want manufacturing in the U.S., give companies incentives to do business here. This is the opposite of incentives.

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