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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 94 points 4 days ago (6 children)

This actually makes sense, once you understand what their problem is with communism.

You see, they have no problem with all the benefits that communism offers... What bothers them is the idea that those benefits would be given to people who haven't earned it.

Heaven, to them, is a reward. Only the pure, the righteous, the faithful get to enjoy its benefits. Heaven only works for them if they imagine that they will be able to look down and see hell.

A heaven for everyone, with no walls, no gates, no pitiful outcasts scrabbling to get in... That's no heaven at all.

[–] miraclerandy@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (4 children)

You’re not wrong about the reward being earned. That’s definitely the unspoken part of it.

When I grew up religious, the conversion was that communism was a bastardization of god’s plan, so it’s inherently evil. Basically, it cannot be as pure and perfect with men in charge so it will fail every time.

You’d think they’d want to try and be more like their god and his plan for their heaven but they just reject it.

[–] Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago

They believe that only God can be the one to create paradise on earth. A primary pillar of their faith requires earth to be in a constant state of suffering until then.

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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Heaven only works for them if they imagine that they will be able to look down and see hell.

See, this is the part I can't get behind. An eternity of that disparity with even the smallest scrap of empathy would eventually be unending torment. Every day is just more "oh yeah, hell is a thing and I can't do anything about it..."

Fr, I knew for fact that there was something deeply fucked up about "The Good Place" in the TV show bearing the same name when Janet played Eleanor a short clip of sound from the Bad Place.

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[–] seeigel@feddit.org 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Right wing politics can be summed up as: Exclusive & Sadism

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[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 22 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Me listening to tankies describe communism as a moneyless, stateless, classless world, then criticise anarchism

[–] zwekihoyy@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

people still use the word tankie ? my guy most communists these days are anarcho communists.

tankie was never funny anyways

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[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago

Can we just have tiny villages where we tell ghost stories and just all contribute to each other's well being?

[–] the_q@lemm.ee 56 points 4 days ago (4 children)

When I was fairly young my mom described Christian heaven. I remember struggling with the idea of not struggling and being happy all the time. Then she hit me with if someone you love doesn't make it to heaven you forget them. That's when the fracture began for me.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Basically heaven is a mindfuck.

[–] the_q@lemm.ee 20 points 4 days ago

It really is. It's not even a pleasant thought experiment.

[–] sfu@lemm.ee 13 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Its not that you forget the person. You gain a perfect understanding of the situation. Like when your child has to go to jail for some crimes they committed. You may be sad they went to jail, then understand why they went to jail, then agree it was right that they were put in jail.

Not a perfect analogy, but something like that.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 19 points 4 days ago (4 children)

So we join with the God-mind in order to understand why the person we previously loved isn't worthy of love after all...

Jim from the Office looks uncomfortable

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[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 120 points 4 days ago (6 children)

The absolute worst is them saying socialism is pessimistic because it thinks people can't do anything for themself and coddles them with a nanny state. Then turns around and says "you have to structure capitalism assuming every single person is a greedy sociopath hellbent on fucking over everyone else to make money."

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago

Ancaps/libertarians as well.

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[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (3 children)

What if heaven is just whatever you need heaven to be? Like, what if it's just a temporary state of affairs? You enter Heaven, and it is exactly what you need to be at peace with your death and your life before that. Then, when you're ready, after however much time you need, you can decide to move on and stop existing, or send your soul to be reincarnated.

[–] Charzard4261@programming.dev 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This is similar to what Rick Riordan (author of Percy Jackson) suggests in one of his other works - that the afterlife is simply whatever you believe it to be. It's pretty comforting imo.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 days ago

The gods of the Disc have never bothered much about judging the souls of the dead, and so people only go to hell if that’s where they believe, in their deepest heart, that they deserve to go. Which they won’t do if they don’t know about it. This explains why it is important to shoot missionaries on sight.

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Watch The Good Place.

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[–] Blindsite@lemmy.today 6 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Problem is real world communism always ends up as authoritarian dictatorships.

[–] zwekihoyy@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

it's almost like American imperialism has made sure that any attempt has failed by economic and military disruption and injecting dictators with the goal of dissuading others from trying.

the second there's a success story western capitalism becomes unnecessary and a better system comes into view.

[–] AHuman2@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

Also communist economy is impossible to implement since there is no all knowing god to fuck all the people siphoning the money out via corruption. Communism is great if you can remove humans from the equation. Mofo humans fuck every system up, we are the problem.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Lol, heaven is also an authoritarian dictatorship

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[–] LemmyGo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 99 points 4 days ago (8 children)

I think it might have something to do with those "Christians" envisioning heaven as an implicit ethnostate.

Socialism seems ugly to them because it involves the people who seem ugly to them being cared for.

But they'd never say it out-loud; most can't even see that's what their twisted little hearts desire.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 31 points 4 days ago

I think they just lack vision and don't actually want to change the real world, just dream of a better place

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[–] prunerye@slrpnk.net 41 points 4 days ago (24 children)

To be fair, the heaven of the Bible is neither stateless nor classless. "The nations" are still present in Revelation 21 and 22, and inequality in heaven is a common theme in Jesus's parables.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 27 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I asked one “so when do I actually die?” and they couldn’t comprehend that I didn’t want to exist forever

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 48 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The most successful nations in terms of citizen happiness use mixed-economics. Nordic nations have the blueprint. We just need to use it.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So complete justice system reform, cut the police force, strong wide reaching unions, and strong social welfare.

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[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Heaven is an autocratic police state though

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Yup. The common answer to "why does evil exist" is that humans have free will.

Therefore it follows that if there is no sin in heaven, there is also no free will.

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago (17 children)

I’ve come to the conclusion that Christians that vote republic just dissociate their “church” brain vs their non “church” brain. Their religious beliefs ONLY apply to religious things. Everything else just goes to whatever their true value system is.

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[–] MrMobius@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Do we have to censor the word communism now?

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[–] confluence@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fundies have a more two-class system in mind for Heaven: God-King and unquestionably loyal fans.

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[–] kmaismith@lemm.ee 21 points 4 days ago

If i could take a moment to cite the opening to the lords prayer:

Our Father who art in heaven,

hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come.

Thy will be done

on earth as it is in heaven.

The ability to make one being a christian not by default be a socialist as well is a continuous theological labor for the capitalist

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

I was going to upvote but you were right at 666 so I couldn't bring myself to

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