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A controversial proposal from U.S Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to let bird flu naturally spread through poultry farms is raising alarms among scientists -- who say the move could be inhumane and dangerous.

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[–] MTK@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

Inhumane is ironic considering that the mere existence of poultry farms is inhumane. But yeah, it would be stupid, cruel and it will raise the chance of mutations that spread to other species including us.

[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Guess we'll have to force anyone returning from the US to stay in quarantine.

[–] froh42@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago

BND: There's a high probability that the last pandemic was caused by negligence in China.

US: Last Pandemic? Wait, hold my pisswater.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago

I remember when people laughed at the concept of the immune system being like a muscle, that needs frequent excercise, and with same excercise it could be built back.

Good times.

Nowadays I wonder when will people shoot each other with increasingly higher caliber bullets to build up immunity to bullets.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 19 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

For the unaware, this bird flu variant has about a 50/50 survival rate. It won't be like Covid.

[–] Early_Insurance_3334@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 hours ago

From what I've read i think it will be worse than 50/50 if lots get it because the recovery stories I've seen involved weeks in the ICU and required those machines that help with organ functions like pumping blood.

There will be a massive shortage of ICU beds and machines to save the people.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 3 hours ago

I don't think he knows about second pandemic, Pip.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 hours ago

He can go first. Go ahead Bobby, show us how easy it is.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 3 hours ago

I don't think he knows about second pandemic, Pip.

[–] canajac@lemmy.ca 25 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What a fucking disgrace he is to the Kennedy legacy. I hope he gets swallowed by a whale or gets eaten by a bear or a worm eating his brain.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 4 points 5 hours ago

his own family more or less disowned a while ago, and also hes not all there because the way he speaks is like someone got a stroke, he was a known heroin addict.

[–] sirdorius@programming.dev 54 points 10 hours ago
[–] jve@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Isn’t he worried one of his falcons will catch it?

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

probably gave himself worms from the carcasses he ate.

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago

They're wearing masks.

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 44 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

If bird flu is such a minor issue, I say we inject it into Donald Trump, JD Vance, RFK Jr., and Elon Musk. Demonstrate how safe it is. Do it. Come on. DO IT YOU WUSSES.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 4 points 5 hours ago

why inject, since you can spread bird flu by coughing in the same room as them. Trump also is a well known germaphobe too, considered trump and his dad both bullied thier brother into suicide and alcoholism.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Yes. Tell them we need their ubermensch genetics to base a cure on. Tell them they'll be rich for it.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

Interestingly, my understanding of the way in which flu vaccine was (in part) produced involved injecting blood infected with a the flu into developing chicken embryos (eggs), allowing them to develop the flu, and several probably very complicated steps later, you've got flu virus particles for a vaccine.

Any ways...

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 hours ago

Well, there it is. Life will... find a way.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 37 points 11 hours ago (6 children)

Hahahahahaha jesus tapdancing christ this timeline is fucking wild. He is going to create the conditions for the next pandemic. It’s gonna start here. I’m calling it now.

[–] AoxoMoxoA@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

I baught a shit ton of N95's a month ago... I figured this was going to happen

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 242 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (18 children)

I love how the U.S. spent like 90 years building up soft power around the world and we are giving it all up in like a 3 month span.

Every person in charge of an agency, is literally not qualified to run a grocery store let alone the agencies they run.

Its alll about loyalty now, and its going to send the U.S. back into the dark age.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

I love how the U.S. spent like 90 years building up soft power around the world and we are giving it all up in like a 3 month span.

Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little push.

- Joker, The Dark Knight (2008)

[–] match@pawb.social 88 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (29 children)

Hitler came to power because the treaty of Versailles devastated and humiliated germany. what the fuck are historians going to point at in the US that lead to the rise in fascism? fucking gamergate? The self-inflicted 2008 crisis?

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Wasn't it Obama making fun of trump at the WH Correspondent's dinner? Thanks, Obama. /s

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago
[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 96 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

What historians will point to in my opinion are two key point in modern American history that unleashed the decent into madness.

  1. Raegan, his financial policies laid the groundwork for the modern ultra wealthy tech bros.
  2. 9/11, 9/11 turned patriotism into a national psychotic duty.

After 9/11 you could slap a US flag on basically anything, shout patriotism and make a shit load of money while being thanked for it.

Then it just rolled on.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 78 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Don't forget the importance of the Citizens United ruling, which gave the green light to funnel unlimited amounts of corporate money into campaigns, reaching a crescendo in this past election when the world's richest man bought himself a President.

CU and the lack of federal public funding for elections (by which I mean the state funds the campaigns of those who want federal offices) basically resulted in the US political class ending up fully in the pocket of the corporations.

That's what absolutely destroyed our ability to elect anyone other than what the corporate doners want, and thus you end up with nothing but corporate-friendly politicians, and thus a whole bunch of people who have no problem with facism and well, here we are.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 20 points 12 hours ago

Reagan was in place thanks to the Southern Strategy begun a decade or so earlier to ensure a voting percentage for the GOP and religious right no matter what. There are unfortunately many other "turning points" throughout US history where we could have gone a different route but chose this one, usually because "it's always been this way" mentality.

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[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 18 points 11 hours ago

Regan had a huge hand in the downfall of the US.

[–] IonAddis@lemmy.world 24 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

what the fuck are historians going to point at in the US that lead to the rise in fascism? fucking gamergate? The self-inflicted 2008 crisis?

Losing the Cold War. America wasn't beaten militarily, but brought down via foreign propaganda. (It also hit the UK, with Brexit, and other countries with similar harmful things going on domestically to them.)

Livejournal was one of the earliest "modern" social media sites (for those who didn't experience it, it was like a longer-form tumblr--longer text posts, fewer images), and it was sold to a company in Russia in the early 00s. I remember scratching my head as a 20-something about why the servers kept going down, then I learned that intellectuals in Russia had taken it up as THEIR social media and due to politics "on the Russian" side it was getting DDoS'd.

I was still too young to connect the dots then, or understand what all that really meant (hindsight is always much better, isn't it?) but basically they perfected control via social media first on their own people, probably trawled through all the content of the original LiveJournal users posting in English, then perfected using what they learned there on later social media sites.

And because Americans A) thought the Cold War was over, and B) have a bit of a head-scratcher conundrum when it comes to free speech because it's valued so highly and nobody likes censorshiop, nobody did anything or even realized anything was happening until the harm was already done.

Personally, again with hindsight, I think company-designed social media algorithms that just suggest content to you as "trending" or whatever should be illegal (and block buttons should be mandatory). Users should have to be forced to follow, one by one, the content they want to subscribe to.

Having "trending" algorithms that have no transparency in what they show or boost allows malignant actors to game the algorithm.

If you force people to follow others based on word of mouth or reblogs from their actual friends, and give people a way to solidly block someone that's easy to find and instant to use, it will cut a lot of the bullshit down. People will be somewhat less inclined to fall down wells of stupidity. It won't completely stop it, but people are lazy and if you don't dangle shit in front of their nose many will go off and do something else instead of putting in the effort to find something horrible.

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 41 points 14 hours ago

A multitude of issues have contributed to this, the creation of fox News, allowing our entire manufacturing sector to leave the country, and then ignoring the poorest and most vulnerable people's issues, misinformation, social media, state actor disinformation campaigns, and probably a bunch of stuff I haven't mentioned. Pick your favorite.

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[–] _thebrain_@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I guess that would succeed in killing off a bunch of the elderly and infirmed, which be a huge savings to Medicare and social Security, so it's a win-win right?

/S if it wasn't implied already

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

also their largest voting base

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, they don't need to vote anymore

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[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 hours ago

That is exactly how the Nazis in charge are thinking about this. They assume they'll make it through because they're constitutionally superior, while the weak die and are no longer a burden on the Übermenschen.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 10 points 10 hours ago

Anyone have the quotes handy on how they want to destroy the country and rebuild as feudal kingdoms?

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 hours ago

Yeah, of we could just stop importing food from the USA, that would be greaaaaat

[–] eddanja@lemmy.world 50 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

That's not RFK Jr. talking. He died long ago. His body is being controlled by the worms.

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