Correction: pay back a small percentage of what you stole
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This whole tipping culture is reaaaallly hard trying to land here northern EU and I absolutely hate it, I refuse to tip anyone. Employers, pay your employees a living wage, it shouldnt be up to customers generosity. You cant? Then sounds like you should charge more of your customers, downsize your business until you can… or go out of business, since sounds like your profitable business is not actually profitable.
What really annoys me is the American servers coming at the patrons: "if you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't eat out!"
I would hate for that attitude to spread to the northern EU as well.
Cool, bet. Now we don’t eat out and they don’t have jobs.
Stopping this country from eating takeout is more of an undertaking than world peace
You don’t need a server for door dash. So instead of working in a restaurant they’re paying for their own cars to deliver to your house instead of your table.
Makes total sense.
Of course there's always the option of begging the government to bail you out, and then they do for some bizarre reason.
We live in a capitalist society for individuals and socialist society for corporations, which feels the wrong way round.
The funny thing is, when I first started working retail, we were encouraged to just say, "Oh, did you forget to complete your purchase?" We weren't allowed to go straight to accusing someone of stealing. That gave them the opportunity to either pay for the items or leave them behind.
NZ parliament recently passed an act clarifying that wage theft is theft and that individuals may be criminally liable if they commit it: https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/member/2023/0245/4.0/whole.html
What's it like, having laws? Are they enforced?
We have a lot of nice labour protections (esp compared to the US, yikes) but ofc this means business goes around them (and current parties are discussing rolling them back to 'support small businesses' from having to do that).
It's really hard to fire a worker under contract unless they straight up abandon their job or violate their contract. If youre bad at your job, but not dangerous, its so hard to fire you (and taking you off shifts, ie: constructive dismissal, is also prohibited) that you'll basically be sticking around anyway.
But that means that employers just hire part-timers to work juuuuust under the requirements, or have them on the 90-day probationary period and oop sorry, I don't think it's a great fit. The results is that job stability is pretty good if you can actually fucking get one, but most younger Kiwis are stuck in casual work or move overseas.
and current parties are discussing rolling them back to 'support small businesses' from having to do that
Having not looked into the current parliament (I'm from Australia), let me guess, the conservatives?
More of less, though the division of 'liberal vs conservative', where almost all political and lifestyle ideals boil down into two camps (and leftists made invisible) is a very American one. I know that Aus is more 'conservative' than NZ is too, though surely not as much as the US.
Its more accurate to say its the neo-liberals. After Reagan and his Reaganomics, our cabinet followed through with our version, Rogernomics: selling off public services and resources to private for-profit holders.
To this day, Rogernomics and free-market liberalism (with focus on bonuses for hunting, fishing, and landlords) is the message of the National and ACT parties that are frequently in coalition.
You could call National 'conservative' I suppose, but they're centre-right liberals and have more in common with US Democrats. Our hard-right party is NZ First (the nationalism is in the name), and the seats for NACT were so weak that they have a coalition with them this cycle.
Together, 'NACT1' is doing a lot of shit, but ofc the Prime Minister, National's party leader, pushes the bills through 'under urgency' and then blames the leaders of the other parties for even proposing it, like his hands are clean.
And the other leaders - especially Winston - are proposing insane bills. Like, preventing illegal Mexican immigrants? In New Zealand? it's an obvious ploy for Kiwis that eat American propaganda on Facebook, but it will work. Our public news has also started using terms like 'wokeism' and 'DEI'. [siiiigh]
Thanks for the summary! I'm not using conservative in the US sense (which yeah, doesn't really have left-wing parties with any power), but more as a catch all for parties in the anglosphere such as: Australia: Liberal/National, UK: The Tories and I suppose for NZ: the Nationals and ACT.
They're practically aligned on most policies whenever I hear about each.
Just thought: there's no way a left-leaning party would think of rolling back something as obvious as making wage theft a crime.
And I'm not surprised I guessed right haha
Yeah, agreed. There's a general guide on whether votes are motivated by intrinsic fear (security) or extrinsic empathy (community). Fear-based voters are anxious for the future, of losing their job/money/lifestyle/status. They're drawn to leaders that look strong and confident, that promise stability and security, and tell them they have answers. They'd rather have bad answers than no answers at all.
This is why 'conservatives' often believe similar things around the world, and are more common during times of hardship. Its why you cant explain logic to sway them (their fears are what need addressing). This is also why people used to get more conservative as they aged: they gained more assets to be afraid of losing. We're seeing that change with millennials.
And besides, Americans make up the largest chunk of the English-speaking internet. So ofc their empire's anxieties have global impact.
As US is proving though, laws only matter when enforced. Using their stats (because that's what I have), wage theft is responsible for more economic loss than all other forms of theft combined, including larceny, petty theft, and embezzlement. But it's rarely chased up - its too hard to prove, or the departments are kept perpetually understaffed, or the employees can't afford court.
Wage theft is illegal in NZ too, but it's not unheard of for smaller companies to stretch it. But yeah, my partner had a review recently, and when he mentioned having to work into his lunch breaks to meet daily targets on busy days, they took that very seriously and adjusted the workload elsewhere to compensate. It's good.
You've adopted the American nightmare known as gig culture. So sorry, but it seems all we export now is dystopian bullshit. And bombs, obv.
We have a legal system that protects the rich and punishes the poor. Luigi gave us a taste of what the opposite could look like.
Should I DM the mod of this community and double check if it's okay for me to upvote? Oh silly me... this is lemmy. Of course it's okay to upvote this fact of life!
I'm assuming this is a reference to something that I'm going to say Reddit has done?
Reddit started sending out warning messages to people who upvote posts with the word "Luigi" in it and I believe you can now get full on banned for upvoting too many posts that say "Luigi".
Wage theft is bigger than all other theft, but far fewer people are dragged onto the sidewalk and strangled to death for it. Maybe that should change.
Come now, you rich people, weep and wail for the miseries that are coming to you. Your riches have rotted, and your clothes are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have rusted, and their rust will be evidence against you, and it will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure during the last days. Listen! The wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in pleasure; you have nourished your hearts in a day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the righteous one, who does not resist you.
James 5:1-6
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"Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility" Ambrose Bierce
Few things.
- Corporations are not people. Laws need to change and loopholes need to be closed.
- The rich need to pay their way. Laws need to change and loopholes need to be closed.
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Doordash corporation is nothing but a theiving evil company run by thriving evil immoral scumbags.
I'm sure this global company only did it in NY for some reason though, better not look into this globally. Wouldn't want to do that now!
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I wonder if you could create an argument for this blatant disparity and how punishments are meted out to show how penalties for shoplifting and personal theft crimes are cruel and unusual. If stealing 17 million comes with less penalty than stealing 1700 then the penalties for 1700 are therefore unusual right?
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They steal from everyone. My wife was stuck in a hotel with no room service about a year ago and didn't feel up to walking for food. She found that she could get a free year doodash subscription through her Amazon Prime. She joined, got her food and promptly cancelled the subscription. We've just been through the joy of getting a refund for two months of doordash that hit our credit card.
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise
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