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[–] Dragomus@lemmy.world 4 points 37 minutes ago

So it's a bit of a catch22 situation... Shutdown the government by blocking the new CR or have the government demolished by accepting the new CR ...

But the government will get derailed regardless.

The one thing that seems to be overlooked is that the Democrats are supposed to give opposition/resistance to the Republican plans, which does mean blocking a bad new proposal ...

If it were up to me I'd use whatever media I can find and prior to the vote just loudly announce being against the new regulations, so just pre-empt republican fingerpoiting and take the sting out of their shutdown accusations...

[–] LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 22 points 3 hours ago

To go stand on his soap box and talk a big game a couple days ago, and then pull this bullshit is just a slap in the face. This screams collusion or bribery or some other shady shit. It used to be a conspiracy theory to say this, but, there ain't two parties. Its one party and a few outliers that aren't invited to the party.

[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

As a non US person, it is deeply sad to read this two party crap even at this advanced stage of the collapse of your country. When are you lot going to learn that you already don’t have an impartial head of state, you don’t have impartial supreme court. Everything is political in USA. So you really fcking want to make sure you have more than 3 parties. You’re still not thinking outside the box, and you’re keeping this us them dynamic alive.

With the weaponisation of the DOJ, the dems have Kompromat on them too. They are all scared. They are all walking the same line. That’s why Bernie is so powerful, and people are doubting if AOC is up for the job.

The GOP is infected by Trump and anything from the McCain era is long gone. The DEMs have failed to lead since Obama. There are no two parties left. There is a carcass of an old political establishment leftover, and the only guy saying anything that makes sense is a geriatric that can drop dead any day.

Two parties will always get you to this kind of impasse. Truly saddening to see the lack of creative political thinking on a progressive platform like Lemmy.

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

What exactly do you expect us to do besides a violent revolt?

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 3 points 55 minutes ago

...what do you mean 'besides'?

[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Violent revolt and sign an improved constitution

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 1 points 53 minutes ago

It's a fine idea and despite being a longshot it's probably the only way anything good ever happens in America again, but a word to the wise:

You go into a revolution with the people you've got, not just the people who have their head on straight. The ideological mix of America currently isn't the group I'd pick for outlining the underpinnings of a new republic.

Not saying a revolt is a bad idea even, just making the point that we live in an imperfect world, and politics make for strange bedfellows. The sheer geophysical fact of North America means the rift between urban and rural can never be truly reconciled.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

In their infinite wisdom our forefathers gave us a winner take all system, and when you only have one winner you get a two party system or minority rule. It’s just maths.

[–] Ruthalas@infosec.pub 2 points 58 minutes ago (1 children)

Ranked choice voting would certainly help.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 37 minutes ago

No doubt, but it would require a huge effort across all fifty states and has already failed a bunch of times.

I’ll be dead before we have ranked choice voting. And I’m not even that old.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 58 minutes ago

To have a real winner the president needs 270 voices in the electoral college, if a third party won enough States that wouldn't happen, what then?

Same in the Senate and Congress, if neither the Democrats or the Republicans have enough seats to have a majority because of a third party, they'll need to work with that party.

Just because it's not part of the culture it doesn't mean it can't happen and that politicians won't have to deal with it if it does.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 19 points 3 hours ago

This Nazi run government has to be shutdown period.

[–] tree_frog@lemm.ee 95 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (8 children)

And this is how you get folks to stay home on the couch in 2026.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

What an irrational response that would be. I see this as even more reason to not be ambivalent.

I think you're missing their point. They aren't saying they are going to do that, or that it's a good idea, they're saying enough people are going to react that way for it to be a problem. It's not good enough to be correct, you need to be convincing. Just because I can hold my nose and vote for the lesser evil doesn't mean I'm not concerned that not everyone will.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

I agree, but we should all be very well aware that most voters are going to act irrationally and conduct ourselves accordingly. Any logical observer could see that the Dems candidate wasn't as bad as the Repubs in 2016 and 2024, and look at all the good that did us.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 39 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

And then yell at them in comment sections when the democrats lose to fascists again.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 21 points 5 hours ago (18 children)

If you don't vote for them... They will lose...

They're not a hockey team where it doesn't matter if you participate as a fan or not. If they don't get votes then they don't get political power.

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[–] Oisteink@feddit.nl 4 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Who are the facists in this context? Shubert or the guys he’s voting with? Asking as im not based in us

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 4 points 5 hours ago

Schumer is a Democrat so based on the context they're referring to the Republican fascists

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[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 55 points 6 hours ago

Good news (archived), centrists up for election in 2026 and a bunch of other Senators are refusing to go along with Schumer here because they have gotten so many phone calls and emails from their voters about this one

Keep calling them, this one will come down to the wire

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

if the cr passes then the administration will have a substantial slush fund from the departments and agencies that have been scuttled with which to do whatever they want with. a shutdown is really bad but the other options are worse. this is harm reduction

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Silly goose, only progressives have to vote for harm reduction. Liberals can just go along with it.

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