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Summary

Former vice presidential nominee Tim Walz criticized Trump for economic chaos while taking personal responsibility for the situation during an MSNBC interview.

"We wouldn't be in this mess if we'd have won the election — and we didn't," Walz told Chris Hayes. He called Trump the "worst possible business executive" and praised the Wall Street Journal's editorial criticizing Trump's tariff war.

Walz emphasized Democrats must offer something better, not just criticize Trump. Recently, he acknowledged a leadership void in the Democratic Party and admitted spending too much time combatting Trump's false claims about immigrants.

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 23 points 1 hour ago

Props to him for taking ownership of it. It means a lot even if it isn't fully his fault.

[–] terribletzar@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 minutes ago

This headline is trash. He's saying we wouldn't be in this mess if they'd won. The headline makes it sound like he's taking much more blame than his actual quote implies.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 4 points 49 minutes ago

Imagine Trump, or any other billionaire, saying something like this. Can't do it? Me neither.

[–] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee -1 points 1 hour ago

I think this is a half assed acceptance of responsibility. Firstly i don't believe our democracy even functions anymore. Our entire political system has been compromised by money, bribes, campaign contributions from billionaires. Both the dems and republicans are both fascist parties. The Democratic party any where else in the world by the standards of the rest of the developed world is a center right wing party we have no true left opposition party in the usa. The democrats are clearly a controlled opposition party who's primary goal is to appease their wall street military and prison industry profiteer donors and prevent any policy shift to the left in order to thwart economic democracy and continue the class dictatorship that is modern neo liberal western “democracy” which is inherently undemocratic.

There are 14 defining traits of fascism and 13 of them are present in both partied albeit to differing degrees. But the one trait that both parties work to maintain s plausible deniability as to its existence is fraudulent elections. But to think that even though money has corrupted every other aspect of our political system that for some reason maybe the ideals of American exceptionalism and the integrity of democracy itself, that one aspect of fascism is a bridge tok far to cross and those with extreme wealth and greed who lack all humanity and show no self Restraint on any given day would at least control themselves there for the good of mankind? If you truly believe that i have a bridge to sell you.

In germany the highest constitutional court decided in the last 10-15 years or so(i don't remember when exactly) that electronic voting is unconstitutional because it is impossible to differentiate between fraudulent results and legitimate ones for anyone who isn't a cuber security or IT expert and its important that laymen(or lay people) can understand the results of an election and see the proof for themselves. And even if we put all this aside in 2016 we saw the Iowa caucus (a democratic process void of electronic obfuscation)deliberately manipulated for clinton despite sanders supporters outnumbering clinton supporters 2 to 1 and i remember seeing a video back then(i wish i had saved it) of election workers doing a test on a vote counting/tabulation machine to verify results and the machine completely skewed the inputed data which distressed all the workers participating to the point where 3 people were in tears.

This isnt a “trump was right” statement because those who are nominated by the party are most likely complicit and know who will be chosen and even if they do not know till the media puts out the results and manufactures the consent of the people they still very likely know the reality. And Trump definitely knew in 2016 and had no problem the election was rigged then because it benefited him which means he doesn’t care that the election is rigged so long as he benefits and gains power from it.

But regardless of what i believe it is the reality that every thing about our society is rigged by the ultra wealthy. And it is naive to believe that they would allow the workers the ability to choose who governs them when they regularly make it clear what they think of us. That we are a disposable commodity who’s existence is only a means for their own end. As a labor pool to exploit and wring dry for profit so they don't have to do any of the things they see as beneath them while they live in opulent luxury and spend more on weekend vacations than you or i could earn in a dozen consecutive lifetimes.

Now in the crazy off chance that our democracy actually does function (which is just impossible given the way the world is currently run by the .001%) then the democrats lost because they refuse to move to the left and they intentionally lost because their donors are the dame donors funding the republicans and democrats are under orders to sabotage any leftist populist candidates to maintain the class dictatorship that their billionaire owners have established and aim to maintain at all costs.

Now let the butthurt neo liberal downvotes ensue.

[–] GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 36 points 9 hours ago (6 children)

Not you walz but the Democratic party. Send out 19 billion to Israel while our kids were hungry in school.

[–] peterpan520@feddit.org 24 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Thank God Trump won, because now we get... checks notes... Mar-a-Gaza!?

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 10 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (3 children)

So it seems like it's going to come down between Gavin The Transphobe and Tim Walz for 2028, and honestly Tim Walz is who I learn more towards, dude feels like a second coming of Bernie.

Meanwhile Gavin started out in 2025 being the strong man who stared Trump down, but he not only folded, he sold out transpeople.

Anyone who carries water for the "Transpeople are crazy and giving them basic human rights is going too far" is a danger to us all

Who is Gavin? Newsome?

[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

That's only if Trump gives up his power after his 4 years... very unlikely. He will just start a war and impose martial law or just let the supreme court add a law that removes the limit, like they already proposed and if that doesn't work, voter fraud with all the government officials getting fired is easy peasy. I think it's over there is no comeback other than a bloody and voilent civil war or fascism until imperial collapse.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 9 hours ago

i want walz and aoc in 2028

we don't blame you tim we love you ❤️

[–] RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 36 points 11 hours ago (8 children)

It's so obvious the democratic party lied about Biden to get through the nomination phase and used the fact that the money already donated for the campaign was specifically to Biden or Harris and would not have easily been given over to any other new candidate. You do have to wonder, especially after how Trump was greeted by them, just what actually happened here. The fact is that the truth about Bidens condition should have been known, he should have decided not to run, and the Democratic party should've had a real primary for real candidates and new ideas. Tim Walz was as bad of a VP pick as Tim Kaine. The white guy as VP to shore up the right wing vote is a total myth. Biden was kind of the first one, then Tim Kaine, then Tim Walz. It just doesn't work. Neither will Newsoms podcast attempt at finding common ground which he hopes will translate into moderate votes. Democrats really have no clue just how bad things are about to get...

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 hours ago

the truth about Bidens condition should have been known

It was known, and lots of us were shouting from the rooftops about it, But Democrats and liberals did everything they could to shut us up, accuse us of being Russian bots, accuse us of helping to get Trump elected, when it was liberals that got Trump elected by ignoring the people that saw every single sign

[–] uuldika@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if Newsom pulls a Tulsi Gabbard and switches sides. He had Charlie Kirk (of TPUSA) on his podcast where he "completely aligned" with him on trans rights (i.e. eradicating us), then had Steve Bannon on. That's a bit much even for the Liz Cheney flank of the DNC.

I suspect Newsom doesn't see any future for his party, and is bailing out instead.

[–] shaquilleoatmeal@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago

I’ve been wondering if there’s a gas leak at Newsom’s house. The hell happened to him?

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 6 hours ago

That's EXACTLY what I'm expecting, when he stood up to Trump I thought he'd be alright, but the dude has basically been courting the Far Right and going all in on being as transphobic as possible.

He'll run the sadly profitable "I was on the Left peacefully drinking Kombucha and eating Avocado Toast like the next pink pussyhat wearing hippie, but then they went too far when they tried to tell me the Holocaust actually happened! They've gone completely nuts!" grift.

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[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

honestly, if walz had been managed competently, I think he'd have been a pretty good folksy VP candidate. especially if he'd kept up on the 'weeeeird' stuff.

harris was just a terrible idea, and she didn't even push her strengths. it's like she, and the people who put her there, were all trying to lose.

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