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Two years ago, the metaverse was billed as the next big thing - but many in the tech world have already moved on.

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But almost two years on, Zuckerberg has been forced to deny that he is now jettisoning the idea.

"A narrative has developed that we're somehow moving away from focusing on the metaverse," he told investors in April. "So I just want to say upfront that that's not accurate."

On Wednesday the company holds its annual VR event called Meta Connect.

It's a chance, perhaps, for Zuckerberg to again explain his reasoning for taking an extremely profitable social media company and diverting its focus to an extremely unprofitable VR venture.

How unprofitable? Well, the most recent figures from Meta are eye-watering.

Reality Labs - which as the name suggests is Meta's virtual and augmented reality branch - has lost a staggering $21 billion since last year.

Part of the losses reflect long-term investment. Meta wasn't expecting short-term returns. But the worrying fact for the company is that, so far, there is very little evidence that this enormous punt will work.

Horizon Worlds, a game published by Meta, is about as close as the company has got to creating a metaverse.

Users can hop into different settings - cafes, comedy clubs, night clubs, basketball courts - to hang out and play games.

Meta claims it has 300,000 monthly users: tiny when compared to the billions of people on Facebook and Instagram.

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[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The metaverse is just vr chat but not as early to the scene and run by one of the least trusted companies on earth.

[–] drbluefall@toast.ooo 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not even VRChat, it's straight up just worse Second Life.

And I trust Linden Lab far more than I trust Meta.

[–] eee@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Not even VRChat, it’s straight up just worse Second Life.

All the people i knew who were fans of the metaverse could never give me a straight answer for "what makes metaverse different from second life?", besides "it's facebook".

[–] Sabata11792@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I assume fun is also strictly banned for the shareholders safety.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Probably has less piracy too.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

what happened

Nobody cares is what happened

[–] Tigbitties@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

VR/AR is a solution without a problem. It's cool, games are great... but there's no real killer app.

Anyway, AI took the spotlight and the focus.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Sounds like you've never tried vr porn

[–] admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 7 points 1 year ago

My favourite VR app is Bigscreen - your own private big-ass cinema. Ever though the resolution isn't as high as a 4k TV, it really is so much more immersive.

However my most used apps are workout games. It's much more fun than going to the gym. The pricetag is pretty steep though.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I think Apple has the right idea going after the professional market. Assuming it works well, I could see it being useful for design, architecture, town planning, and anything where having immersive 3D would be advantageous.

But until there's the VR equivalent of spreadsheets and word processors, things people use at work and then want at home, it's going to be relegated to gaming and porn.

[–] ilmagico@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People have been trying to make VR go fully mainstream since, probably, the 90s or even earlier. It always flopped after some initial excitement. Who's next to try their luck?

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's still popular with the hardcore gamers, it's just all the Second Life rehash ideas that are dumb as hell making the news.

[–] eee@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Second Life rehash ideas

I've got an idea. What about... Second Second Life. We create a virtual universe you access through Second Life!

[–] soloner@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Imo, the idea of it doesn't match the reality, which is a very virtual one. Intrinsically, it's a lot to bet on when real life offers more.

VR today also forces the first person perspective. For some that can cause nausea, and for others they get fatigued quickly.

I think there's potential but from what I've seen a lot of hokey options mixed with a limited market in a limited supply due to price just won't foster anything organic.

[–] JonEFive@midwest.social 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't get why they don't get it. Huge numbers of people simply can't afford to invest $400 - $1000 on VR hardware. Those that can have not been adequately convinced of the value and a glorified chat room is never gonna cut it.

And then there are people like me who might have considered an Occulus before Facebook bought them, but I will never use another Facebook product as they are one of the easiest morally-bankrupt mega-corporations to boycott. None of the other vendors have a compelling product for me.

So even me, a tech leader who always hops on the cool new tech toys (I mean, I am posting on Lemmy right now after all) isn't all that interested. Which means I'm not talking it up to people I know. Now ask my friends about my opinion of the Steam Deck and whether it influenced them to buy one. This is Business 101 stuff that the multi-billion dollar company can't seem to figure out.

[–] Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Don't forget the significant number of people who are interested in the concept itself but not in Zuck's implementation.

Zuck probably was relying on the sheer number of Instagram's users. Little that he knows these people have very little overlap with his actual target audience for it.

[–] mishimaenjoyer@kbin.social -4 points 1 year ago

AR/VR is a hard line for me that i won't cross. doesn't matter if its facebook or apple or whoever. i don't want it, i don't ask for it, i don't see any benefit coming from it. i can accept it as a gaming gimmick, but aside of that, it's a literal dystopia.

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Metaverse died because it sucked, that's all. There's better VR games elsewhere.

[–] mishimaenjoyer@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the metaverse is not a game.

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sorry, "Meta Horizon Worlds" e.g. the complete failure zucc keeps dumping Meta's money into.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 6 points 1 year ago

Snow crash was a dystopia, guys.

Also like everyone else said

  • I don't want to give Facebook money
  • the hardware is expensive
  • I like being able to see my surroundings. Like right now my cat is up to no good.
[–] udon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Reasons for average people to use metaverse:

  1. Facebook has no control of hardware platforms vs. Google/Apple. Now that Android and ios have stricter tracking protection against 3rd parties, fb can't track and sell ads as they used to. By buying into the metaverse you help keep the Facebook business survive.
  2. ????

Doesn't look good I guess

[–] Sygheil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Who likes to wank on a VR? Call me old school but still prefers screens

[–] sndrtj@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago

It's just an elaborate scheme for Facebook/Meta not to pay any taxes.

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The fact that about 50% of the population will never be able to use vr due to motion sickness is totally unrelated. Really!

[–] YMS@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Half of the VR users once experienced some symptoms of VR sickness, not half of VR users are affected so badly that they'll never be able to use VR.

[–] Khalic@kbin.social -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fact that everyone thinks the metaverse is just VR proves that nobody got the gist. Happy it failed though

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

It's so funny to me, because i never even had the thought in my mind that it might become something. I never even knew anyone who would talk about it ever. Then like 1 1/2 years ago i was eating breakfast with a friend and a group of 30 ish year old guys were next to us. One of them told everyone how crazy and dangerous it will be. Like people getting lost in cyberspace and can't tell reality from the metaverse anymore. What are you smoking?