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Software alternatives (lemmy.world)
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[โ€“] m2Lm@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

This is the alternatives that I use:

X - Mastodon | YouTube - PC Youtube with uBlock Origin, android ReVanced | Netlix, Disney+ - Stremio (With VPN!) | Google Search - Qwant ~~Startpage~~ | Google Drive - Proton Drive | Google Chrome - Mullvad, Librewolf and Brave (with crypto stuf disabled) | Messaging apps - Session (<3) | Google Android - LineageOS | Windows, MacOS - Linux Mint or Fedora with KDE | Microsoft Office - LibreOffice | VPN - Mullvad (or proton vpn) | Google Maps - Wego.here.com or en.mapy.cz | Google Maps Navigation (Waze) - Sygic or TomTom AmiGO | Google Translate - DeepL | Google Gmail - Tutanota or Proton Mail | Google Authenticator - Ente Auth or Aegis | Password Manager - Bitwarden or KeePass | ChatGPT - Mistral Le Chat |

[โ€“] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Google Search - Syartpage

Do you mean startpage?

[โ€“] m2Lm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yes typing mistake, I fixt it.

[โ€“] m2Lm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I'm using if for 6 months and I don't miss google search. And the option to open search results in "Visit in Anonymous View" is something that I love.

[โ€“] mrhenry77@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Startpage

thanks, i love startpage!

[โ€“] m2Lm@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I actually changed it, in Reddit Buy European they mention that Startpage was sold in 2019 to US company. So I changed it to Qwant (French) it also respects privacy and it's based in Europe.

[โ€“] mrhenry77@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

damn, but thanks for letting me know

[โ€“] azalty@jlai.lu 2 points 1 week ago

Element is owned by a company and likes to collect a shit load of data... i'll never understand people that vouch for matrix

[โ€“] LepaVida@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I want to see Koofr up there among the clouds.

[โ€“] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Suggesting linux mint specifically is good. Linux is overwhelming to new users, don't give them choice paralysis too.

[โ€“] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

OP, quite a few of these are still American, some open source, some not. It's more like a generic list of alternatives to mainstream.

[โ€“] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

When it's FOSS it doesn't matter so much where they're based, fortunately

[โ€“] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 points 4 weeks ago

BlueSky and Brave for sure aren't FOSS.

[โ€“] youngalfred@lemm.ee 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Revanced is just a cracked YouTube app isn't it?

[โ€“] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes it is, if you want something different there is Newpipe, Tubular (with sponsor block and returndislike) , or Freetube. Probably others as well.

None of these let you login, if that is something you need.

[โ€“] Mr_fuzzy@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Don't forget grayjay

[โ€“] sevenOfKnives@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

signal is a good option for messaging. it is technically american, but i feel like FOSS projects should generally get a pass.

also, as an american who is very not okay with what our (russia's) government (puppet) is doing, wouldn't supporting non-american businesses mean paying the tariffs and supporting the oligarchs? i'm not really sure what us yanks can do besides just trying not to spend ANY money.

[โ€“] amzd@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago

Signal is extremely expensive, they pay $15m+ to Google and Amazon because they donโ€™t self-host so around half of their donations go directly to tech oligarchy

[โ€“] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Maybe add Signal; Itโ€™s easier than Element, but itโ€™s also centralized

signal runs on amazon servers. Anything that can't self host and isn't federate isn't worth it. Matrix (and element) fill this requirement. But IMHO, the best is XMPP where you can self-host or use federated servers located in other countries.

Maybe add Delta chat

Delta chat is basically email.

Remove Stremio

Why? Because it's torrents?

Other alternatives would be viaplay or britbox. Unfortunately there's no legal alternative that's available in all europe.

Add aurora

Aurora is just a front-end for google playstore. You should add f-droid

[โ€“] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Delta chat is basically email.

and how is that exactly a problem? the protocol is email, but email done right is actually good and fast, as it can be tested if you actually try out the app. The new chatmail servers are optimized for chatting, the main reason classic email providers suck is because they have to deal with spam and arbitrary decisions like gray-listing etc

[โ€“] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Email isn't a good protocol for instant messaging (it wasn't designed for real time communication and it lacks some features like typing indicators or voice/video calls)

[โ€“] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

it is pointless to talk in theory without actually trying things out, besides the app doesn't have to do only email, in fact it already has p2p support for real-time that can be used for now inside the https://webxdc.org/ mini-apps, and might be used for calls in the future, or just use WebRTC for calls, one of the mini-apps in the store "Live Chat" already has typing indicators btw. The app already has Jitsi Meet invitations integration.

Chatting in Delta Chat with chatmail feels just as fast as WhatsApp, Telegram etc. sometimes even faster depending on the chatmail server you use

[โ€“] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf -1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

The app already has Jitsi Meet invitations integration.

That's cool!

I'm not going to change my IM app, because i'm happy with, but it's nice to know of alternatives.

[โ€“] pathief@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

If everything is e2e encrypted do servers actually matter?

[โ€“] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf -1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

yes. Metadata. some protocols leak more info than the others.

Also servers in only one place (institution), only makes it easier for the government to go to that place and seize them.

[โ€“] pathief@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

And what metadata is Signal leaking? As far as I know even their notifications are not sending the message.

The government seizing an entire batch of amazon servers seems unrealistic, but the data would be encrypted anyway. Do they even store messages on servers, anyway?

[โ€“] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

And what metadata is Signal leaking?

We don't know. We don't have access to what's running on their servers. (yes i know that the source code is available, but there's no way to check if that's the same thing running on the servers). And this is a problem for me: i have to trust a walled garden.

The government seizing an entire batch of amazon servers seems unrealistic

Usually the government goes there a just takes whatever is in the rack they want. Screw the legal business that are there. That's what happened with the pirate bay raid. If the US government wants to shut it down. It just needs to knock on the amazon door.

the data would be encrypted anyway. Do they even store messages on servers, anyway?

The problem is that you have to trust them. You have to trust a chain of organizations based in the US. Signal pays millions (who pays for this? i have my doubts that monthly donations will pay for this forever) to amazon for the servers. So using them and sending them money is the same as giving money to amazon.

If you are fine with these risks, then use it. Better using signal than using messenger and whatsapp.

[โ€“] pathief@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

We donโ€™t know. We donโ€™t have access to whatโ€™s running on their servers.

Aren't they audited, tho?

(yes i know that the source code is available, but thereโ€™s no way to check if thatโ€™s the same thing running on the servers)

But isn't this true for most services, such as Matrix as well? Nothing assures that a Matrix instance is running the exact code on git.

Usually the government goes there a just takes whatever is in the rack they want.

But if your threat model is the goverment, aren't all services affected as well? If they want to take element's servers, they will. If you selfhost and they want to take your server, they will?

The problem is that you have to trust them.

I feel like in communication apps you're always going to have to rely on trust. Even if you self-host in a Swiss server, with the best intentions and security practices... Other people are going to have to trust you. You trust yourself, but others might not.

[โ€“] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf -1 points 3 weeks ago

But isnโ€™t this true for most services, such as Matrix as well? Nothing assures that a Matrix instance is running the exact code on git.

It's valid for any server. But for signal messaging is even worse than the competitors because it's centralized.

If you selfhost and they want to take your server, they will?

Correct. With signal there's no way to escape the US government, but with matrix (or other federated protocol) you can make it harder, so it won't be worth it the resources spent. You can also host it where the US government don't have any reach.

Even if you self-host in a Swiss server, with the best intentions and security practicesโ€ฆ Other people are going to have to trust you. You trust yourself, but others might not.

But who is more trustworthy? The US government or the swiss government?

Also, the point is to avoid american services. Signal is an american service.