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[–] Neato@kbin.social 62 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Hot take: pick-up trucks should be illegal as daily drivers. You should need either a commercial license or permit. Vast majority of truck drivers don't need them regularly as a truck or to tow; they're just status symbols and make driving more dangerous for everyone else. Not to mention the inefficiency.

[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 68 points 1 year ago (7 children)

There's an easier solution. A vehicle weight tax that actual laborers are exempted from. Weight is what damages the roads, so a weight tax would accomplish practical and ideological goals.

[–] ngdev@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why should actual laborers be exempt from them? Do you mean to say that if they drive a company truck, then they wouldn't have to pay weight taxes? (I would think it wise to have the company pay taxes for miles driven and weight of the vehicle driven during those miles)

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah just because you’re an electrician for your day job doesn’t mean you need to own a pickup to drive to the company office where you’ll drive a company truck to job sites.

[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I was more thinking contractors or farmers who use their own truck for work. Not people using company trucks

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, if you’re a contractor using your own truck then you should be reimbursed by the company hiring you, which should offset the tax. If you’re a farmer, same thing, unless you own the farm, in which case your truck should be licensed as a commercial vehicle

[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I'm just trying to get the idea passed people and those two groups are always the ones sea lioned about.

[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I'm on a site with about 500 electricians right now. The vast majority of them don't drive company trucks. It's really just foremen, the general foreman, superintendent and various project managers and higher-ups.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You could do that, but in southern states they’d just make it too easy to get the permit. See Oklahoma’s “commercial vehicle” loophole where everyone has their car zoned commercial to get a tax write off. Also electric pickup trucks are a thing.

[–] skullrot@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

That and there are plenty of people who need a truck regularly enough to justify owning one vs renting one, but don't use it comercially. The "permitting" for this would have so much gray area, it wouldn't be worth it. Additionally, if you told all those people they couldn't have a truck, they'd just go get an SUV and you wouldn't really accomplish anything.

[–] JustAManOnAToilet@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

So...good luck with that. In the meantime they continue to sell like hotcakes.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 32 points 1 year ago

Bonus points for living on a 5 million dollar "rural" property 1:30 from the city center where they work.

[–] Litany@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago

Just call them what they are for so many, emotional support vehicles.

[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't care what anyone says, it's just a fact that the vast majority of people who use these huge trucks as daily drivers do not actually need to. Obviously there are exceptions, but they are relatively uncommon.

I use my mid-sized pickup as a daily driver, but that's because I used to need it and my work situation recently changed. My plan is to get a little commuter car as soon as I can and use that as my daily driver and keep the truck for when I actually need it. The gas savings will pay for it, and again, I don't even drive a full-sized pickup.

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[–] Afrazzle@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

Also always drives 130 on the highway and accelerates as aggressively as possible. Then they post on Facebook complaining about the new carbon tax.

[–] Hextic@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

But if I ask for help it's a "handout".

[–] lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also "we need 4 wheel drive because of the snow" never bothers with snow tires

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[–] jaywalker@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Newer F150s are getting >20 mpg in real world scenarios. That’s better than my Forester.

Probably better to just kill gas motors entirely.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago

I went and looked up the metric equivalent. That's 8.5 km/l or 14 l/100 km. That's honestly disgusting.

Especially disgusting when you know most people with an F150 use it 90% of the time to go to work, alone, without any 6m rebars in the bed and would be better served by a Yaris that can do 20-25 km/l (ie 45-60 mpg)

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[–] ramble81@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

For a split second I thought they posted a picture of a Lightning and I was gonna laugh.

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