The EU would be perfect if it wasn’t for the gross attempts of surveillance on the people.
this post was submitted on 26 Feb 2025
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Why do people keep trying to do this? The fact is, you can't beat good encryption and you can't beat the Internet.
As soon as a country outlaws an app like this, users will simply not be able to download it "officially". They'll have to set up an Internet proxy or vpn, and then download it... It may take an extra 10 minutes to install.
They can't block this... So why try?
Idiots trying to outlaw math again.
They're not dumb, they're evil.
They're dumb AND evil.
Yeah but they are evil because they are dumb....
Hey, there is a long tradition of banning evil math... even Pythagoras did it... But, I guess he at least had good reasons, irrational numbers are super creepy and deserved to be banned.
To be pedantic, AFAIK there's no evidence Pythagoras himself had anything to do with the censure of the discovery of irrational numbers. The common story has to do with his later followers, and could well be more fiction than fact in any case.
Talking about creepy numbers, the ones that always fucked with me are uncomputable numbers. That shit's wack, yo
These power hungry tyrants just can't STAND the idea of normal humans being able to communicate without their prying eyes spying on us. They claim this is for the purpose of protecting the public. This is plainly not true, as crime will occur regardless. They cannot eliminate crime, despite their outrageous claims, nor do they actually want to. E2EE comms will be used to plan crime sometimes. Sorry, not sorry. Privacy is worth that cost. I'll die on that hill.
"Crime was always with us, he reasoned, and therefore, if you were going to have crime, it at least should be organised crime."
I wish real-life tyrants were more like Vetinari.
I'll die there right with you.
Privacy is non-negotiable for me, and I'll get violent about it if I have to. That's my line in the sand. I'll jump through hoops if I have to, but I'm not complying with laws that strip away my privacy.
In fact, I'm looking to host Tor nodes to help out. Screw this surveillance BS, I'll use cryptography if I want to.
Encryption on Ham Radio / GMRS Radio is illegal in many jurisdictions... 👀
If it weren't for stuff like banking and e-commerce, encryption on the internet would've probably be illegal.
If people can have the right to private communication, and that privilege being extended to criminals as well, surely that is worth it.
Police can do old fassioned police work. Every job doesn't need to be behind a desk, issuing database queries.
It's not about police, it's about power not being checked by at least getting a legal order.
Why willingly leave the market? Why not let them be forcibly removed? Signal is a US company. They're not doing business in Sweden. It's not like they're going to face some kind of legal consequences. Just don't comply.
What's likely is they stop offering their app on the Google Play and Apple App stores (if the bill passes into law), and then people will just sideload it, leaving it up to Sweden to geoblock their IPs.
they stop offering their app on the Google Play and Apple App stores
...but y tho
Sorry, I just meant in Sweden only.
That doesn't answer my question.
Assumption is that they ask apple to remove it for swedish apple accounts. Apple does that for goverments all the time.
So let them ask. Put the onus on Apple.
I already do that, but that's more because I don't have Google Play Services and the auto-updating "side loaded" app works better than the F-Droid one.
I wonder what other branch of mathematics they are going after next. My best guess would be topology....
Topology is wack.
Keep away from lattices tho.
I’m guessing they don’t actually have any offices, assets or staff in Sweden.
Signal don’t block users from countries where they are banned, and in fact have options to make bypassing firewalls easier. OTOH, it’s a lot less likely that they might be arrested and extradited to Iran or China while on holiday.
Keep fucking around with encryption and you‘ll soon find out.