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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 54 points 17 hours ago (18 children)

Russia is going to run out of troops.

IDK when, but they're basically feeding their population into a meat grinder trying to take Ukraine.

That's not too say the Ukraine isn't taking losses.... I've just, seen some numbers that indicate that Russia is going to run out of people to send to their deaths before Ukraine will.

Putin needs to give this up before he doesn't have a military anymore.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 25 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Russia is running out of troops but their recruitment numbers are way higher than Ukraine’s. I support the Ukrainian armed forces unconditionally and have donated to them multiple times so believe me that it brings me no pleasure to say this, but there is no way Russia runs out of soldiers before Ukraine does.

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 18 points 15 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Honest question, what makes Ukraine troops that much better trained?

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 14 points 14 hours ago

"Capable" in this context doesn't just refer to training alone.

As laid out in the video, Russian recruits are getting older and older (as in: have sometimes even fought in Soviet era conflicts) and recruitment standards are dropped more and more (apparently having Schizophrenia is OK for a Russian soldier) to keep a steady influx of warm bodies. Next, Russian recruits appear to be broadly separated into two groups: The meat shields who are rushed to the front with minimal training to plug the biggest holes in the units (stark examples include only multiple days between reported recruitment and death). The second group is going through a more traditional training regiment but also shortened. This shortening also applies to officer candidates.

In short: Recruits are getting less physically capable due to the average age increasing drastically over time, and militarily less capable due to shortened or basically nonexistent training.

As for the Ukrainians: I expect the video with analysis on their casualties and recruitment to drop this week.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago

Well the Ukrainians are at least trying to train their troops while Russia has been caught shoving raw recruits into the front line after literally no training. Those reports are obviously magnified by each side's information ops but we do know the Russians have a survivability problem. The two biggest things you learn in basic are what to do when someone starts shooting, and how to hit things with your rifle. Everything else is extra that's meant to make you able to use specialized equipment. The real learning environment has always been combat itself. And in this arena the Ukrainians are absolutely dominant.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

Because Ukranian troops have 2 things Russian troops will never have.

  • Commanders that don't use idiotic human wave attacks.
  • Shoes.
[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 8 points 12 hours ago

It's good to remember that a small subset of Ukrainian commanders do see soldiers as mere cannon fodder. Mere 11 years ago, the Ukrainian military was run almost precisely the same way as the Russian one. And many commanders are from before 2014. Many of them have converted to the new ways since 2014, but some haven't. That's a problem that severely hampers Ukraine's recruitment capacity. Still, Ukrainians are a nation that will flex when it needs to. If the Russia starts advancing faster than the 0.7 % of Ukraine's total area in year like they did in 2024, people get more afraid of what is going on and get motivated to join the armed forces.

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[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 31 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

To be clear: The Russia's losses are increasing month after month, but their recruitment capacity is not. They are recruiting about 1000 soldiers every day, maybe a bit less. And the number seems to be going down, not growing. They are losing 1300 to 1800 each day now meaning a net loss of something like 400 to 900 soldiers per day!

They won't run out of population anytime soon, but they will run out of soldiers.

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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -1 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

They need to give it all they’ve got and go all out. Leave it all on the battlefield and give 100%. Don’t hold back and go the extra kilometer.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 70 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

We Europeans should have never hesitated to supply Ukraine. Let's make up for the fuck-up and give them everything we have and the AmeriKan Nazis can piss and moan on the sidelines.

[–] MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works 20 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

What if the US stepping back is exactly what Europe needs to become a true superpower?"

It hit me recently that Europe has largely relied on the US to take the lead on global issues, often playing it safe and deferring to American influence. But what if the US pulling back its support is actually a blessing in disguise?

Without the US as the default leader, NATO and the EU could finally step up, stand on their own, and evolve into a unified superpower. This shift could bring much-needed stability to the region—and potentially the world—especially as the US faces its own internal challenges.

Sure, it’s not guaranteed to play out this way, but isn’t this a more appealing vision than the current status quo or the rise of authoritarian powers dominating the global stage?

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 11 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

USA has also quite sternly asked Europe to not become a superpower. And this is something that was openly spoken aloud in 1980's and 1990's. Their offer has been "we'll handle this superpower stuff on your behalf, you guys keep to yourself." That has kept USA the clear leading superpower, which has been extremely useful for the American economy, and we have been able to concentrate on other stuff, which has been good for our economy.

It's been an agreement between USA and Europe that Europe will not start competing of power with USA. We have more population and a bigger economy than USA, so I'd guess that now that the agreement has ended, we'll have to become what we would already have been for decades if we hadn't been asked not to.

[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 81 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Step up, EU. It's on you now that the US are traitors.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 46 points 20 hours ago (6 children)

As an American I'd like to apologize for the shit show my country currently is.

I've never felt shame like this.

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[–] cyd@lemmy.world 37 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (8 children)

I honestly don't know how to read the situation. Ukraine's fought terrifically, but their status seems far less sustainable even if you discount the Trump stuff. I don't put a lot of stock in these claims that Russia is on the verge of imploding due to the stress of the war, any day now. It is possible, but mostly seems like wishful thinking.

External aid changes the situation a bit, but not ultimately that much because no Western power seems willing to directly intervene with troops. Barring that, the overall situation between the two countries feels a bit like what Shelby Foote said about the US Civil War: "the North fought that war with one hand behind its back... If there had been more Southern victories, and a lot more, the North simply would have brought that other hand out from behind its back."

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

This is true to an extent. But in 1862 the US didn't have to worry about an invasion from Canada. If the Russians remove too much from the Far East though, China is going to rename Vladivostok to Haishenwai. Also ISIS is going to start infiltrating from Central Asia, again. Russia has real security concerns on it's borders that require a real military presence. They could not easily strip their border guard (a national paramilitary police that's commonly included in their military headcount) or border military units. They also cannot strip the major metro areas of their paramilitary units, such as the elite units guarding Moscow. Otherwise the next Prigozhin could succeed.

Russia already stripped what they could from the Far East at the start of the war so now they're largely left with units on NATO borders that haven't been called in yet. As much as it sucks, we all know NATO isn't going to attack Russia. And in fact this is where most of the reinforcing units are coming from for things like the Kursk Salient.

The next issue is battlefield saturation. In the American Civil War how many troops you could field was largely limited by control of water ways and rail lines. With modern vehicles and supply chains the limit is reached differently these days. Basically there's a point at which if you add another division to a line it starts to be detrimental instead of helpful. They will actually get into each other's way. This has remained largely unchanged since World War 2. And in fact the number of troops Russia has in Ukraine is reminiscent of World War 2, In June they reported they have 700,000 troops in Ukraine. This is likely the maximum amount of pressure they can put in the area.

So as long as Ukraine can deal with that number of troops efficiently, they could theoretically fight forever.

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

If the Russians remove too much from the Far East though, China is going to rename Vladivostok to Haishenwai.

Are there any real pretensions on the territory on China's part? It sounds like it would just cause more problems than it's worth (though it's not like that fact prevented Putin from attacking Ukraine), and possibly kill off BRICS.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Out of the BRICS nations, the least important is Russia. They have oil and land. And although China gets through a lot of oil, not much if it comes from Russia.

That said, I highly doubt China would invade any part of Russia. They don't need to. Superpowers tend not to poke the others directly.

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 87 points 23 hours ago (25 children)

No exaggeration, Russia is issuing donkeys and mules (yes actual pack animals) to soldiers for transporting supplies because vehicles are in short supply.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 15 hours ago

Today on: What Fucking Century Are We In?

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[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 221 points 1 day ago (57 children)

I really hope Europe is going to give them the support they need to see this through.

[–] eporetsky@lemmy.world 77 points 1 day ago (16 children)

I hope trump is not going to start sending support to Putin

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