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[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 136 points 1 week ago (9 children)

According to the article the females don't fare any better either.

I didn't know this about octopi, what's the point, evolutionarily, to self destruct after reproducing?

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 135 points 1 week ago (17 children)

what's the point, evolutionarily, to self destruct after reproducing?

There is no point, evolution is about successful reproduction and everything else is just random chance.

If a evolutionary tweak happens that gives your off spring better chances, but your arms fall off after sex then it'll probably perpetuate.

[–] MeatPilot@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Gooners win again

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[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 98 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Essentially their entire mating cycle is what causes this. They've got a gland behind the eye that puts them into mating mode and once it starts it never turns off until they overdose on sex hormone.

Most cephalopods are voracious hunters that eat and eat to grow big and then once mating mode switches on they just focus on mating, which results in a shit ton of babies. Every step of that cycle has an extremely high mortality rate resulting in strong selection pressures for the best of every phase. When they do something, they go big.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Holy shit what a way to go.

Get horny > have sex > orgasm > keep orgasming > die of too much orgasm

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago

Living the dream.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wonder what would happen if you removed the gland? How long could they live and how big could they get?

[–] Contramuffin@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (4 children)

There's a specific life history strategy called semelparity, which is what you're describing (breeding once then dying). To my understanding, this is incentivized if the chances of getting a second attempt to breed are too low, and so it becomes more evolutionarily advantageous to simply go all out on the first attempt

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks, one solid answer! It could be that it used to be an advantage at some point and now it's just perpetuated

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

To be clear, it's still an advantage and for the ones that it isn't they don't die after mating. Most cephalopods are both predators and prey that life cycle results in a very high mortality rate. If you don't hunt enough, you fail and if you get eaten you fail. The deep cold water ones though, tend to have to live longer due to less prey and have fewer predators so they tend to not die after mating.

[–] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 9 points 1 week ago

Semelparity: “Fuck it, I’m gonna nut to death”

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[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

To prevent decrepit politicians who already had their chance from usurping the resources of the next generation and pulling up the ladder behind them?

You know... Octopus politicians

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hmmm.... Looking at Cthulu and not sure what to think about here

[–] rovingnothing29@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Stayed a virgin long enough for the wizard powers to really kick in.

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[–] JayDee@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not everything in evolution ends up having a point. So long as a problem does not impact the propagation of children it can end up moving forward to the next generation.

I would guess that if there is an Evolutionary reason, it's probably that octopi with this drive reproduced More than octopi that didn't.

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[–] MinFapper@startrek.website 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Evolution doesn't care what happens to you after reproduction because you've already passed on your genes at that point

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Take that point and explain humans living to about 100 after breeding from 20 to 40, and kids taking ~15 years to become good enough

Human tribes doing well is good for making children successful, old women have much better skills in finding whatever plant matter they're gathering, old men are better at tracking and stalking prey. The old people teach the young.

We evolved towards longer lifespans because groups that live longer survive and continue better

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I mean, yes, but if you're not a vegetable afterwards, you will have more chances to reproduce. Therefore passing on your genes more

[–] Transtronaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Evolution doesn't make deliberate, strategic choices. Random mutations result in new behaviors/properties that may or may not be beneficial, and selection removes those mutations that prevent reproduction from the gene pool. Not every mutation will be beneficial, but as long as it's not harmful enough to stop reproduction, it can persist.

If there were two groups of octopuses, one with the self-destructive behavior and one without, then there would be pressure from competition. In that situation, your point would have more of an impact. But without that pressure, there's nothing to drive the selection. And the mutation won't occur just because it would be helpful for it to do so - it's random.

At least, that's how I understand it. I'm not a biologist or anything.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

yes, that's the point I'm trying to reinforce. There has to be "a reason" that getting stupider after mating is a succesful trait, otherwise it wouldn't be there.

The question that was asked was: what is the reason? So far I've only seen speculation in this thread

[–] Krik@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago (7 children)

As was said before: The genes are already passed onto the next generation. It doesn't matter if the parents become stupid now. There's no evolutionary advantage to become more or less stupid at this point.

It became like it is now by some random chance(s).

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[–] zeca@lemmy.eco.br 9 points 1 week ago

whatever works...

[–] houstoneulers@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I read that it's so the parents don't compete for resources with their young, helping to support the young's survival

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[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago

This is how biologists interpreted ghosting

[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This happened to me. No joke. I lost half a standard deviation from my iq for each child i had. #dunceLife

[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Are you sure it's not because of chronic exhaustion for several months in a row instead of the sex?

[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

I can keep it up for a good while, but several months is excessive.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

He never said the kids were his...

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 45 points 1 week ago

The literal version of "man has enough blood to operate his brain or his penis, but not both at once."

[–] windowsphoneguy@feddit.org 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 81 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Octopuses didn't get post nut clarity.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 62 points 1 week ago (2 children)

or maybe they do and it's unfathomable to the rest of us

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Eldritch knowledge beyond our understanding

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 week ago

Cthulhu was just a normal octupus that just kept on jacking off, reaching untold and forgotten knowledge, dooming this universe with his eldridge gooning

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Octopus nuts and it realizes it's mere empty space perceiving itself.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 21 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If a human has sex with an octopus will the same thing happen to them? Asking for a friend.

[–] felixwhynot@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Good. They deserve it. Octopuses are dicks. They keep demanding you to call "octopi." Sure. When you start calling me and my homies squidi, I'll start calling you guys octopi.

But no, they can't see past their octopus privilege. As if having two fewer arms made them superior.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Octopi is the oldest plural form of octopus, coming from the belief that Latin origins should have Latin endings. However, octopus is not a simple Latin word, but a Latinized form of the Greek word októpus. Consequently, its “correct” plural form would logically be octopodes.

Nowadays "octopodes" and octopuses" are both acceptable, the latter being more regularly used.

"Squid" on the other hand isn't Latin or Greek, of unknowns origin, probably from a sailor's variant of "squirt"; late 15c., squirten, squyrten "to spit water from the mouth" (intransitive), a word of uncertain origin, perhaps via Middle Dutch or Middle Low German, probably ultimately imitative.

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