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Welcome ex-Redditors! (lemmy.world)
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Come one come all to the Lemmy-verse! It's nice and cozy here, we do have some "bad parts of town" but you can do an instance block and not deal with them lol

For your memes we have !memes@lemmy.world if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like !science@mander.xyz and !biology@mander.xyz and for a meme science combo theres always the fantastic !science_memes@mander.xyz

You can also drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or hang out at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)

There's much more around as well!

Obligatory, fuck Spez

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Also, it defaults to "Active" view, which is the least updated. You can set your posts to "Hot" and then switch between "Top 6 Hours" and "Top 12 Hours" to get the most of your experience here. It will seem dead with the default.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Weird post.

[–] Saltycracker@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ironically the founder and programmer is a communist

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

tankies aren't communists. Marx would've laughed at authoritarians calling themselves communists

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They aren’t tankies though. That’s just a label applied by everyone else when the communists point out supporting Nazis is bad.

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

anyone who supports China isn't a communist, end of discussion. you couldn't define communism even with Das Kapital in front of you

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

K. Except I never declared support for China, so what are you on about?

[–] remon@ani.social 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Denying that the tiananmen square massacre happened is pretty obvious support for China.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Y’all really do live your lives like this. Treating everything in this world like team sports. ‘If you’re anti-CIA, you must be pro-China! If you’re anti-Nazi, you must be pro-Russia!’

It’s like talking to children.

https://www.liberationnews.org/tiananmen-the-massacre-that-wasnt/

[–] remon@ani.social -1 points 4 months ago

If you’re anti-Nazi, you must be pro-Russia.

Yeah, 2022 called and wants it's Russian propaganda back.

[–] oysterenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm kinda new to the fediverse. What did lemmy.ml do?

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'd recommend visiting it or joining an instance that federates with it at least. The liberals like to make it out to be a communist propaganda machine but most of the content is memes, oss, and general left wing / anti-US stuff. They will ban you on some communities if you bring up tianemen square or uyghurs though, so that sucks, but otherwise most of the content / users on there are decent.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because the Tiananmen Square and Uyghur claims have all been debunked. Even the intelligence orgs admitted they don’t have any evidence. Why allow the same debunked propaganda to be reposted by bots over and over?

Do you have some evidence you’d like to present?

[–] chuymatt@startrek.website 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Tiananmen Square was debunked?

I mean, I was alive when the pics came out. Been aware of the censorship. Had friends from China and friends who worked there tell me about the complete avoidance of the subject.

Oh, and I’m not a bot, though you could be protecting your psyche by saying everyone who pushes back on this is.

It is just as foolish to not admit to the atrocities done by one government as it is for any other.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You can acknowledge that the narrative presented by western media about these events is exaggerated without going full tilt into denial.

Something did happen in Tiananmen Square. People were killed. The government of China does censor discussion of the events.

These are facts, and when you try to deny them it only reveals that you are more concerned with protecting your worldview than with adhering to the truth.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Haha. Lots of mental gymnastics in there. Or just being intentionally obtuse.

Yes, something happened there, and people died. But it wasn’t anything like the western narrative, including lies about who died.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Western media has an incentive to exaggerate, China has an incentive to downplay. Perhaps the truth which lies somewhere in between would be easier to arrive at if China didn't heavily censor all discussion of the events.

I think about what happened in Tiananmen Square with equal revulsion as I do for, say, the battle at Blair Mountain, and I approach the topics with equal caution in determining the details. You seem to have no such caution with regard to the Chinese state narrative of what occurred in Tiananmen Square.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Actually, I’m deferring the western journalists who were present and disputed the US propaganda of what happened. Even the major media outlets at the time disputed US claims.

I don’t trust China, but I do reflexively disbelieve anti-China propaganda from the US. It’s worked so far.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I honestly think we are in agreement on most of the details here, but though I reject the US propaganda stating that a massacre of tens of thousands of peaceful protestors took place I remain skeptical of the Chinese state's claims that the PLA was entirely unarmed prior to June 4th, that only around 300 people died (most of which were soldiers), and that the student protestors were the instigators in every case of violence.

First and foremost, however, I take issue with the ongoing censorship of all discussion of the events surrounding the protests in Tiananmen Square. I'm sympathetic to the goal of combating disinformation, but the simple fact that we could not be having this discussion if we were in China is one of the reasons it's so difficult to overcome the US propaganda surrounding these events. If the only counter-narrative Americans have access to is the official narrative presented by the CCP it's nearly impossible to get through to them with the truth.

Saying this as an American myself who had great difficulty trying to unravel what actually happened in Tiananmen Square and who still has a lot of skepticism towards the very simplistic narratives I keep seeing parroted around by those on either side of the issue.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

their admins (the maintainers of the lemmy codebase) are tankies (authoritarian communists who believe the USSR was justified in quashing Hungarian protests against human rights abuses with violence). they take any criticism of the people's republic of china's government as sinophobia and have some weird opinions about the fascist government of the russian federation (effectively their explanation is that moscow achieved communist utopia in 1918 and therefor cannot backslde into a worse form of government despite overwhelming evidence that the potato shaped dickhead who sits atop the throne of skulls in moscow is maybe possibly perhaps a war criminal)

[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

If the Lemmy programmers are freaks, how does that bode well for the future? Seems like Lemmy is already doomed.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Can someone explain like I’m 5 how being against Nazis and capitalism is authoritarian bootlicking? Seems like the exact opposite.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Authoritarianism isn't exclusive to capitalism. You can have a communist country that is Authoritarian, like China or Russia. But they will fervently deny that China and Russia are Authoritarian, the various human rights abuses and lack of freedom at their feet in order to promote Authoritarian style Communism

They are against Nazis, but they apply that label to just about everyone who is against their views and/or what China/Russia pushes. They will say that Ukraine is completely run by Nazis for example, a propaganda line right out of Moscow.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Ukrainian leadership declared themselves Nazis. They’ve recently spent millions erecting monuments of famous Nazis, and are naming streets after them. Their soldiers are literally covered in Nazi symbols.

When someone tells you themselves that they’re a Nazi, why do you think your beliefs overrule their own self-image?

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/03/08/wdtz-m08.html

https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-leader-slams-kyiv-for-naming-streets-after-nazi-collaborators

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

WSWS is a biased "trotskyist" rag and this is an opinion piece whingeing about Ukraine throwing off the shackles of soviet oppression written by the leader of a former Ukrainian political party that was banned for having ties to Russia. Opinion disregarded

The TOI link you posted lists its source as a tweet which no longer exists.

Neither link claims "Ukrainian leadership declared themselves Nazis"

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeaaa ookkk tankie, I'm sure those websites aren't biased and spreading propaganda/misinformation at all LMAO

you've been tagged

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

So you’re denying Ukraine is doing this? Or am I a tankie for pointing it out? All it takes to be a tankie is pointing out someone is calling themself a Nazi?

You’ve taken this so far, you’re entering into Nazi sympathizer/collaborator territory.

The US Congress had to lift a ban on arming Nazis in order to send arms to Ukraine. Now tell me how it’s somehow my fault for pointing that out.

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-us-weapons-azov-a3a555670bedeae2022900621d79aba7

[–] liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Imagine dedicating this much of your free time attacking people for caring too much.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

FYI for anyone who comes across, this here is an example of a ".ml Tankie Alt" who may also just be a "UniversalMonk" alt account.

This "caring too much" they speak of is an inability to accept any valid and factual criticism of the CCP or Russia.

They also defiantly refuse to believe the Xi/Winnie the Pooh meme started in China, despite well documented evidence.

The tankies often call for "unification of the left" but it is deception, they are not left because they will support authoritarian ideals in lockstep.

ETA:

[–] liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

FYI for anyone that comes across, this here is an example of a conservative capitalist supporter who spends hours a day posting about imaginary tankies that fucked his wife or whatever weird shit pops into their head.

Individuals like this use the word tankie in the same way liberals use the word Nazi or conservatives use the word commie or how maga use the word dei or how toddlers use the word icky. It means whatever they want it to mean at the time, in most cases just being anything unpleasant to their delicate sensibilities.

Anyone using the term tankie on a left wing site is deeply unserious and solely exists to sow division and troll.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Individuals like this use the word tankie in the same way liberals use the word Nazi or conservatives use the word commie or how maga use the word dei or how toddlers use the word icky. It means whatever they want it to mean at the time

No. I mean, I disagree, but the weirdest thing is the use of liberal as a pejorative on a “left wing site”.

All my adult life I’ve been disliked by my local chuds, cunts, dickheads, fuckwits, and bastards for being liberal. Now the “lefties” dislike me for it too.

It’s weird; I like all the same stuff, push for the same social change as ever but now “libs” like me are the scum of the earth because . . . *checks notes* . . Ah. Yes because the Likud are genocidal evil bastards. Which. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Yeah I dunno. Somehow that means we should let trump win.

It’s fucked up bullshit. And it used to be mostly from the “Tankie triad”. But even after they got mostly blocked, the more industrious of them come from “regular” instances now.

[–] liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Liberals were never left wing, equality nor equity can happen under capitalism. The rainbow capitalism liberals advocate for only extends as far as their use to the liberal hierarchy. See: trans and undocumented people getting thrown away by the Harris admin as soon as they no longer saw any bumps in polls for supporting them.

The problem you're having is you live in a place with such a far right Overton window that the thought of even a tenuous equality amongst the under class is a progressive idea. It's not. But it's an easy tool to divide the underclass, and even acceptance of 'controversial' humans is used to divide the underclass.

Liberal was a good thing to be in the early 1700s, when it was the only alternative to divine right feudalism; but we've evolved since then. We don't have to settle for capital based feudalism, which is all liberalism amounts to.

Tl;Dr liberal infighting caused you to think liberalism and conservatism is different ideologies, and you're using the conservative definition of liberal to define yourself and getting mad.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

"there is no censorship in Beijing...."

[–] liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Still haven't found wikipedia or other such sites, eh?

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Winnie-the-Pooh_in_China

Censorship in China

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) uses extensive censorship. For instance, the Chinese government has censored topics regarding the Cultural Revolution and CCP Chairman Mao Zedong, the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre, human rights in Tibet, persecution of Uyghurs, and Taiwan independence.

[–] liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The first screenshot is about voting rights, little one.

At least you're admitting you're wrong there and you admit China isn't a evil despotic dictatorship.

[–] MY_ANUS_IS_BLEEDING@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

Lmfao you think China is an open socialist democracy! God there are some proper nutcases on this site