I support the cause in general but: Signal is not federated at all. It may seem like a decent alternative to WhatsApp but is it really? It still falls under the same US jurisdiction. Let's say the US gov starts agressively prosecuting dissidents and certain minorities (they already do): can and should we still use signal in this case? I don't think so. Sadly i can't name a much better alternative. Maybe matrix. But it has other issues.

[–] teri@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 hours ago

We should stop being naive. Immersing ourselves as a society into facebook and twitter significantly contributed to the shit situation we are in now. Going to Signal seems like a short term solution. We should have some idea where to go on the long term.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 20 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

instead of switching ive mostly just been ditching entirely. I need less time interacting with internet people.

literally the only thing on this list im still using is facebook messenger, for my work colleagues. and youtube. everything else ive migrated (reddit-lemmy), or abandoned and torched

[–] 8fingerlouie@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

It’s funny how things work out.

I’ve spent years checking social media multiple times per day, and due to current (and not so current) events, I initially just deleted twitter. I tried mastodon, but it was a complete echo chamber. Twitter on the other hand was 25% bots and 50% porn, so I just deleted it. Turns out I didn’t miss it.

I recently did the same with Instagram, Facebook, TikTok and Snapchat. Guess what, not missing those either.

Facebook messenger is tough to get rid of though. I have kids that attend after school activities, and there aren’t really any easy fixes. I doubt I can successfully persuade 100+ people to migrate to signal just because of my political crusade.

It’s not being helped by the fact that ~75% of the people here use iPhones, so most communication not going through messenger goes through iMessage. Last I checked I knew a total of 4 people on signal, despite having 50+ people i regularly communicate with over messenger or iMessage.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Only ones I use are YouTube and fb marketplace because Craigslist is totally dead here, but it's from an alt account I've never used for anything at all.

[–] Temperche@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Check out Flohmarkt https://codeberg.org/flohmarkt/flohmarkt Instance list here: https://codeberg.org/flohmarkt/flohmarkt/wiki/flohmarkt-instances

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 hours ago

I will definitely check that out and try to use it before checking marketplace, but I honestly can't imagine I'll find anyone selling anything near me. I'm fairly rural, and even the nearest "city" isn't exactly a thriving metropolis.

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 19 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I was already on Mastodon by just having a Vivaldi (the chromium browser) account, and it's just lovely I've spent most of the day setting up lemmy, even though I joined feddit.dk 2 years ago, it's only just now I'm taking it seriously.
And, while not related to the fediverse per se, I switched to linux a year ago.
The only service that's hard to drop/switch away from is Youtube imo.

[–] 8fingerlouie@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

I’m having more trouble dropping Facebook messenger.

Pretty much everything “real life social” is organized through that. While I haven’t posted anything on Facebook for years, news from my local community, kids after school activities, birthday parties, etc are all organized through that.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 5 points 13 hours ago (6 children)

Are any of these actually good?

I mean, aside from Lemmy. I tried Mastadon and no one was actually on it, seems like everyone is jumping to Bluesky.

[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 11 points 12 hours ago

I can vouch for Signal. I got my whole family out of facebook messenger to make a new place for family chat. Even my parents in their mid 60s had no problem changing.

[–] lysol@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Depends on how many you follow. Lemmy is way more dead than Mastodon for me.

[–] Alfredolin@sopuli.xyz 7 points 12 hours ago

I can vouch for Matrix unfortunately it is not listed and instead they mentioned Signal which is further from the fediverse.

[–] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

no one was actually on it

It might feel that way at first, but my Mastodon feed is very robust nowadays. You just need to follow more people.

[–] Temperche@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

People only move to Bluesky because they don't want to change their thinking (picking instances is hard!) and keep using "Twitter".

[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I can understand it. I was banned without reason from 3 of the top mastodon instances before even posting anything. Creating new accounts is a hassle, and it's easy to lose faith in the system when bans happen without reason and none of the instances cared to respond to my appeals. In heinsight, I'm sure the ban was due to my username looking like a hash, but I still find it crazy that the appeals were ignored.

[–] all4one@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago

Dqw4, I'll never forget that link.

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[–] Winterfrost@lemm.ee 4 points 13 hours ago

Fediverse is awesome!!

[–] breadcat@sh.itjust.works 17 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

I keep seeing this type stuff but neither peertube or friendica are genuine replacements at this point, mastodon is weaksauce compared to akkoma or a misskey fork, and loops is alpha software. also yes signal is centralized but it just works and has contact discovery so it owns matrix and xmpp when compared to whatsapp. basically none of this stuff is truly ready

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

As software, PeerTube is great and there’s actually plenty of content to consume if you can find it. The more content creators we can get to use PeerTube, the more appealing PeerTube will also become.

Check this link out, if looking for content: https://peertube.wtf/

[–] megrania@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

"If you can find it" ... that's the crucial point I suppose ... but without a discovery algorithm, interesting creators, and a VAST content archive, it can hardly be called an "alternative" for YouTube.

When I was looking into it I found the best use case was to use it as a self-hosted video archive to replace/extend my Vimeo. At least at that point, all instances that were remotely interesting were not taking any users, and the generic ones seemed to be very far away from what I'm doing content-wise.

And I guess as long as that's the case, and you have no ways to monetize content nor any significant reach due to the federated fragmentation, I don't think it's an interesting software/federated platform for creators ...

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Check this link out: https://lemmy.wtf/post/15816115 for servers and have a look at https://peertube.wtf/ for some of the content available on PeerTube.

If you are a content creator, you need to take the first step. Viewers will come after you, not before.

[–] megrania@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I'm running my own instance, and typically post my stuff on mastodon, so I guess I have made the first step?

It's a bit of a Catch-22 I suppose ... low numbers of viewers makes it less attractive for creators, and fewer interesting creators make it less attractive for viewers.

Taking into account the other aspects that make it less attractive for viewers (fragmentation and inconvenience ... having to dig through "Find the right instance for you" tutorials, no matter how well curated, can be a bit of a turn-off compared to just going to a central point and find what you're looking for), I don't have that much hope that it'll reach a critical mass of both viewers and creators to catapult Peertube into large-scale relevance ... as sad as I am about saying that.

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 1 points 8 hours ago

Cool. What’s your instance?

And yes, it is a catch-22 or a “chicken before the egg” issue, but I’m confident we will see even more content creators on PeerTube in the future.

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[–] iconic_admin@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Loop.video is “currently not accepting new members”.

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[–] Temperche@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

FB Marketplace --> Flohmarkt is missing!

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago

I haven't heard of it yet but it's very interesting! link for those who struggle to find it among german search results

[–] potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 36 points 1 day ago (16 children)

Signal is centralized, loops is closed source and not accepting new users.

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[–] phx@lemmy.ca 4 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Friendica seems like a new thing? No apps for that yet either

[–] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 9 hours ago

I heard that it was one of the earliest Fediverse projects. It just hadn't surged in popularity like Mastodon and Lemmy had after the Twitter and Reddit exodus.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 16 hours ago

It's been here the a long time actually

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[–] malcriada_lala@lemmy.world 16 points 21 hours ago (9 children)

I like this. I hope it starts conversations. Does anyone know if there are good alternatives to Discord?

[–] glaber@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago

Mumble + Element (Matrix)

[–] mitexleo@buddyverse.one 4 points 14 hours ago

Revolt is the way.

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