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[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 192 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Concerning that it wasn't 100.

[–] WadeTheWizard@fedia.io 166 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It seems to be a pretty consistent rule around the world that about 1/3 of people are complete morons. Only 15% being for it is probably a good sign.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 93 points 1 week ago (3 children)

In commercial/political polling, they call it the lizard man constant. 5% will always agree, even if the question is something like "are you a lizard man".

Only 15% is a resounding rejection, honestly. The media was making it sound like there was actual mainstream debate within Greenland.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 74 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Media is sane washing Trump. The Media is owned by the oligarchs who run this country. What NBC, CBS, ABC, and FOX say is reality is not necessarily speaking real. I'm afraid that in troubled times it falls on each of us to become a historian, journalist, propagandist, and warrior all wrapped into one

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sane washing is a good way to put it, actually. They're trying to write about Trump's rambling like it's a new and valid perspective on the world. It's not, and his supporters even know that for the most part.

I don't even use American outlets. Educated, well-off people across the West are still in some kind of weird denial, a near-decade into the madness.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Even NPR and PBS have gone a little sus. And look. We do need to talk about what it is about Trump that keeps clicking, what is going on with Americans that he resonates so strongly (despite so clearly being horrible and a sharp worsening of everything everywhere). But we can have that conversation without taking something he says and saying "Huh. That's interesting. Is there any validity to that?"

No. You don't have to report on him like a normal politician. You don't have to default to treating what he says like it's probably valid. You can rightly and justly act like he's a weird shit cunt who just says whatever to see what lands with people, and then just keeps repeating those verbal tics people liked.

And this rings true for so much of American politics. We treat every political corruption scandal past watergate like it's a complex web of people and we don't know who knows what. The Iran-Contra scandal, the 2003 invasion of Iraq, russian collusion, the coup, voter surpression and the rise of right wing politics globally and at home, are actually all VERY simple when you get right down to it. But the media acts like it's complicated and hard to understand so the populace thinks it's complicated and hard to understand.

The simple truth is this: we live in a global system of torture. Every day you go to work and do your job and struggle to afford groceries, you are getting tortured. You are getting tortured slowly. But you are surely getting tortured. Your work is boring and demeaning, and it doesn't contribute in any real way to causes you care about. Your boss makes more money than you do despite you doing the work. Their boss makes a fortune despite not even knowing what it is you do. You go to the grocery store on the way home. The produce was grown with prison labor, the coffee was grown with slave labor, and everything else was grown with refugee migrant labor. To heat your house you need electricity or natural gas. The minerals used to make this happen were extracted at the price of blood from someone just like you in another part of the world (Appalachia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan all come to mind). Your government kills anyone who tries to resist against these extraction economies. The imperial powers of China, Russia, and the United States battle over extraction economies that aren't fully at scale yet (Ukraine, the Congo, Afghanistan all come to mind).

The secret to getting consent for all this from the populaces of the countries doing the torture is to make it seem like the torture is incomprehensibly far away from you, and that the imperial power over you is who is protecting you from it. Maybe they declare they're taking action to protect against terrorism following an apartment bombing in Chechnya. Maybe their friends in Israel provide information about Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. The important thing is they go do their imperialism so they can keep torturing you while saying they do it to keep you safe.

But now the torture is here. In your neighborhood. The pretenses are gone. The world can all plainly see that the genocides that have been cropping up across the globe in Gaza, Darfur, Ukraine, Myanmar, Xinjiang, Ethiopia, Iraq, Syria, the Congo, Rwanda, Bosnia, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Beirut, Cambodia, East Timor, Uganda, Burundi, Bangladesh, Zanzibar, Guatemala, Chechnya, Crimea, and Poland AFTER the Holocaust are ultimately all part of a single unending war between those with power who shouldn't wield it, and those without power who don't want it. The entire planet has been locked into a growth mindset where the success of a country is measured by its GDP and not by the quality of life of its worst of citizen, and the easiest way to maintain that is to just keep on killing.

And some of the people who are about to be victimized by the torture voted for it, asked for it. They wanted it because they thought it was too far away to be truly real. They thought people like us, people saying "No it's real, and we have a moral obligation to do something about it" were exaggerating and fear mongering. Well now it's fucking here, and those of us who been saying it's real are first in line to get fucked. Soooooo... IDK, fuck fascists I guess. Done molly cottling them and trying to tell them they're misdirecting their anger. They had their chance and they fucked it, and now I'm who's getting fucked by it.

Fuckers.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Wow, of all the replies I've gotten, this one might have hit me the deepest. I really feel that.

The one consolation we have is that it's not new. The world is shit and full of lies, but was all throughout our written history, and we've made a bit of progress anyway. I don't know if it that trend will continue, but I don't know that it won't either.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 days ago

that's the thing. we can take all this and decide what to do. for me? i'm going to work to pass the message of liberation passed down to me over the last 12,000 years. the children of tomorrow deserve to hear it

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

The quuuuuuuuill, spitting bars

Nice comment.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's not 15% in favor but 6%.

A Verian poll, commissioned by Danish newspaper Berlingske and Greenland’s Sermitsiaq publication, showed 85% of the population on the self-ruling Arctic territory don’t want to be part of the US. About 6% said they’d prefer the country over Denmark and 9% were undecided, according to the survey published Tuesday.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ah, so the headline is misleading in Trump's favor. Why am I not surprised?

[–] oce@jlai.lu 11 points 1 week ago

Probably mostly to create engagement, and it worked.

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[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

OTOH, there's this theory among ...certain Americans... that you only need 3% in favor to stage a successful revolution. So, Greenland seems ripe for a little CIA drama.

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[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago

If you read the article, 9% are undecided.

Only 6% were for it.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There's always going to be 1/3 who are dumber than the other 2/3's, or in this case ~15%!

[–] Embargo@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Pity that the stat is higher than 50% in the US.

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 week ago

Nah, like 20% of people everywhere are just dumb as rocks - in the US it looks like it's grown to be at least 35%... but there's no place on earth free of idiots.

Oh also, there's some small percentage of people that are just edgelords.... whether you count these people as idiots is probably determined by how recently you were a teenager (yes, we were all dumb once)

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I can't think of a single thing that 100% of people from any decently sized group will agree on. Some will just pick the opposite to be contrarian. Some just don't care.

[–] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The Lizardman Constant is about 4%. So that leaves 11% unaccounted for.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

According to the reporting, after dealing with Danish colonisation some Greenlanders see the US as (still) less imperialist than Denmark. The grass is always greener on the other side, basically.

Good to know that the vast majority understand that's BS.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Replacing your current shitty imperial power with a foreign imperial power never goes good

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 days ago

cough North Africa cough

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[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, you get some silly answers from a small percent of the population, like this one:

Seven percent of all American adults believe that chocolate milk comes from brown cows, according to a nationally representative online survey commissioned by the Innovation Center of U.S. Dairy.

[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I am choosing to believe that 7% of American adults think it's funny to answer questions like that. Even though I know it's wrong. God dammit.

Our education system is just cooked huh.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 63 points 1 week ago

"Please, America. Take away our healthcare. Not just for us, but for our descendants!"

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

fuck, i'm IN the u.s. and i'm against joining the u.s.

[–] ProfessorScience@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Can we leave and join Denmark?

[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Maybe one day the people in the USA will reject the malignant tumor named Donald Trump

[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The only positive thing about Trump really is, that he's old, and with his lifestyle may not live that long anymore.

But even then, the damage he's already done, and does in the future may prove to be permanent for the foreseeable future...

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 13 points 1 week ago

JD Vance is waiting on the wings.

Anyways, it's not Trump making these decisions. He's just signing whatever the Heritage Foundation puts in front of him. Trump isn't even capable of actually writing an executive order.

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[–] MissGutsy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If you leave out the 9% of undecided voters, the poll is 93.4% against joining the US.

But the poll is also just a representative sample of 497 people, just about 0.88% of the greenland population. So an actual vote might be very different. The poll claims to have an uncertainty between "1.9 and 4.4 percentage points", so the result could be as high as 98% against joining the US

[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Next up: Trump declares Greenland a terrorist organization

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just "clean Geenland out", I guess.

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[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Can we join Greenland instead? If they’re majorly rejecting trump then they’re smarter than the majority of voters in the US.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 29 points 1 week ago

I would take Danish residence over US residence, too.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 27 points 1 week ago

I’m surprised that it wasn’t higher

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 week ago

As an American, I strongly recommend that all Greenlanders oppose joining our shit show. I wish I could leave.

[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

For those who want to read longer, the original article in Berlingske. Not paywalled:

https://www.berlingske.dk/politik/new-poll-shows-overwhelming-majority-of-greenlanders-reject-trump

[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

WTF is wrong with the other 15%

[–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably people who think there is a financial benefit to them if it were to happen

[–] UFO64@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Good odds Trump would fully deport the entire population.

[–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Greenland

Inuit are 89.7% of the population. So probably more like more like 89.8% will get deported. The 39 people there who are US citizens are probably okay tho

[–] aaron@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's those homeless guys they bought dinner for

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[–] labbbb2@thelemmy.club 10 points 1 week ago

I think they would just ignore Trump. It's bad for your health to answer to such people like him. He's a narcissist.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I hope they’re not forced to join us anyway…

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