myth: ~~cable~~ piracy is wrong.
fact: ~~cable~~ companies are big, faceless corporations which makes it okay!
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myth: ~~cable~~ piracy is wrong.
fact: ~~cable~~ companies are big, faceless corporations which makes it okay!
People try to boil these things down to incredibly simplistic rules in an effort to justify what they’ve already decided they’re going to do.
I am pro piracy, as I imagine virtually everyone on this community is. But I also think people get way too reductionist because that is easier than engaging with the nuances of what it means to “steal” or “pirate” or when we are or aren’t hurting a creator.
I think the pros vastly outweigh the cons, the “victims” are few and far between due to it being so rare/situational as to make it ok to functionally treat it like there are none, and I also think all the people arguing they are “doing media preservation” who don’t even know what a proper 3-2-1 backup is are full of shit lol. I also think people need to accept the fact they just want free shit sometimes and trying to dress up their motivations/sense of entitlement to free media with high minded arguments about sticking it to corporations or whatever is disingenuous - just own the decision!
I use my server because it is convenient and because I don’t want my kids being visually assaulted and manipulated every time they turn on a tv. I used to watch my son visibly become panicked when all the tiles of a streaming service would pop up in front of him, it was just so overwhelming. I went a solid seven or eight years without the high seas because there was a time when streaming services were reasonably priced, convenient, and not dominated by ads. Now that that is no longer the case, I have gone back to my server. Simple as that.
I don’t mind paying for a service, I don’t even mind the occasional advertisement in my life. But what we have right now is absolutely ridiculous and easily justifies so many reasons for pirating.
All of this is to say you’re not gonna find people here who disagree with your decision to pirate. But you’re also not going to find some airtight philosophical argument that works 100% of the time. You have to consider the ethical implications of your actions in your day-to-day life, there are no simple rules to avoid that.
good comment
I do mind any and all advertising, I want zero advertising in my life. Except the ads from Apeldoorn insurers, those are the best.
Having said that, I don't mind paying but then I want to pay and be able to see everything. The problem now is that in a world where all companies consolidao into one per market, on the media provide lr side, very conveniently, everything is fracturing into dozens of provii, each with their exclusive content. Totally not conspiratorial, just a convenient coincidence that makes then a boatload of extra money.
Fuck. That. Shit.
I want one provider with everything or aaaarr going to have to go to alternative sources
I don’t need one provider with everything, in fact that would lead to a terrible media environment. But I do think your price should be appropriate for the quality of your catalog, and as the catalogs get worse they’re all increasing their prices.
Ideally I would want to see zero advertisements in my life but I am capable of compromise. If you want to throw ads because something is otherwise free, I don’t know man that’s fair play if you ask me. We live in a capitalist society, you have to keep the lights on somehow. But if I’m paying money I don’t want see a single ad anywhere.
Should you feel bad? No. Will there always be people who want you to feel bad? Yes.
Honestly if it's a big setup like Spotify or Netflix or etc, "royalties" don't mean shit to the production team / artists / whoever. Unless they're Mariah Carey levels of replayed every year everywhere to the tune of sitting on millions in checks yearly, they aren't going to get shit. Personally I'd rather support them in other ways such as buying merchandise, going to live shows etc but that's just me.
Remember though this is in minecraft, don't pirate irl because that is very bad and you will personally prevent executives at warn-a-brother from buying another learjet. Remember: "pirating is bad and you should feel bad" 😂
Even buying albums never netted the artist more than 20 or 30 percent unless they also owned the record label.
Buying their merch is the only real way to support an artist. They'll make way more out of it than any other way.
Theft from the wealthy is morally right, period.
How do you define "wealthy"?
Stealing from a millionaire that actually operates his or her own business is not the same thing as stealing from someone like Jeff Bezos who doesn't lift a fucking finger to contribute to the operation of the dozen or so businesses he owns.
You have to have nuance. Not everything is as simple as you made it sound.
They promised they would go out of business if I pirated their content, and that was a lie.
And of course, they did go out of business. That's why they need welfare from the government now.
You should never pirate anything, that would be bad.
There are people who understand what I'm saying, and then there's the idiots that downvoted me on some of the comments I posted
I'm not going to say piracy is right or wrong.
What I will say is if everyone had access to that replicator, and everyone replicated everything in the store and left, the store would close down, and the products would stop being made.
Likewise, piracy is only viable because not everyone does it. If literally every person pirated the games or movies of any given company, that company would no longer be profitable and would close down.
Piracy is getting something for free because other people pay for it.
Except there are people who buy something AND want to have offline backup copies of it.
Do you think that is the majority of people pirating? Hell do you even think it’s 10%?
No but I think it's me.
Hey just a quick note that I didn’t mean to say “how do you even think” I was using voice text I meant to say “hell…”
The other seems far more antagonistic lol
I didn't even notice you typed hell, I read it as how. lol
Ha glad to hear it
If "buying" is not owning, then "piracy" is not stealing.
It is always morally acceptable?
Morality is, literally, subjective. There is no universal answer to that question.
I personally consider anything being sold by a distributor to be fair game, no questions asked. If I pay for mainstream music, films or games, most of the time, zero of that money goes to the workers who created those artworks. It just makes rich owners richer, because they legally own rights. I would go as far as to say it's morally wrong to pay for those things, it's not neutral, it's supporting a cycle of abuse at your own expense. So that's my perspective on your 'giant corporations' question.
Digital copying isn't stealing, unfortunately, because those giant companies deserve to have their hoard of capital expropriated.
No, it’s not like stealing a physical item from a store.
I'd argue stealing physical items from massive corporations is also morally acceptable. If you shoplift from a small mom & pop store, you're actively hurting your community, however, if you shoplift from Wal-Mart, you're actively hurting an entity which is hurting your community, therefore helping your community.
Shoplifting from Walmart hurts my knees because the boss won't believe that our onhand numbers are wrong and makes me check high and low before I can nil pick it 🥲
This isn't an ethical argument against shoplifting btw, this is an ethical argument in favor of nuking Walmart
There is no "stealing from corporations"
It's as easy as that
Why do you have to take a moral stance?
Do it because it’s cool
If they keep raising my food subscription I'm gonna start pirating from supermarkets too
Piracy is a response to various kinds of market failure, inequality.
perhaps the only ethical consumption under capitalism is that which denies capitalists their profit.
So long as people are starving under the system while others have yachts, the system is unethical, and thus following its rules -- insofar as they perpetuate this inequity -- is unethical.
And yet you can borrow anything from the local library for free and its considered totally fine and not pirating.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If buying isn't owning, then pirating can't be stealing.
Given that no one makes a fuss about it when corporations do the stealing, I think so.
my view on it lies in two seperate buckets:
and just to be clear, i don't see piracy as inherently evil or anticapitalistic. there have been several books and apps that i pirated that i liked and converted to an actual buyer to get more books in the series or get updates to the program.
Worrying about "property" of any parasite is something that I never bother to do.
Giving money to your enemy is idiotic tho.
There is a class war out there and normies are too busy funding their oppressors