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I promise this question is asked in good faith. I do not currently see the point of generative AI and I want to understand why there's hype. There are ethical concerns but we'll ignore ethics for the question.

In creative works like writing or art, it feels soulless and poor quality. In programming at best it's a shortcut to avoid deeper learning, at worst it spits out garbage code that you spend more time debugging than if you had just written it by yourself.

When I see AI ads directed towards individuals the selling point is convenience. But I would feel robbed of the human experience using AI in place of human interaction.

So what's the point of it all?

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[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

i’ve written bots that filter things for me, or change something to machine-readable formats

the most successful thing i’ve done is have a bot that parses a web page and figures out the date/time in standard format, gets a location if it’s listed in the description and geocodes it, and a few other fields to make an ical for pretty much any page

i think the important thing is that gen ai is good at low risk tasks that reduce but don’t eliminate human effort - changing something from having to do a bunch of data entry to skimming for correctness

[–] UnRelatedBurner@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Just today I needed a pdf with filler english text, not lorem. ChatGPT was perfect for that. Other times when I'm writing something I use it to check grammar. It's way better at it than grammarly imo, and faster and makes the decisions for me BUT PROOF-READ IT. if you really fuck the tenses up it won't know how to correct it, it'll make things up. Besides these: text manipulation. I could learn vim, write a script, or I could just copy "remove the special characters" enter -> done.

I use perplexity for syntax. I don't code with it, but it's the perfect one stop shop for "how does this work in this lang again" when coding. For advanced/new/unpopular APIs it's back to the olds school docs, but you could try to give it the link so it parses it for you, it's usually wonky tho.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

In creative works like writing or art, it feels soulless and poor quality. In programming at best it’s a shortcut to avoid deeper learning, at worst it spits out garbage code that you spend more time debugging than if you had just written it by yourself.

I'd actually challenge both of these. The property of "soulessness" is very subjective, and AI art has won blind competitions. On programming, it's empirically made faster by half again, even with the intrinsic requirement for debugging.

It's good at generating things. There are some things we want to generate. Whether we actually should, like you said, is another issue, and one that doesn't impact anyone's bottom line directly.

[–] nairui@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To win a competition isn’t speaking to the purpose of art really, whose purpose is for communication. AI has nothing to communicate and approximates a mish mash of its dataset to mimic to great success the things it’s seen, but is ultimately meaningless in intention. It would be a disservice to muddy the art and writing out in the world created by and for human beings with a desire to communicate with algorithmic outputs with no discernible purpose.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I feel like the indistinguishability implied by this undercuts the communicative properties of the human art, no? I suppose AI might not be able to make a coherent Banksy, but not every artist is Banksy.

If you can't tell if something was made by Unstable or Rutkowski, isn't it fair to say either neither work has soul (or a message), or both must?

[–] nairui@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That is only if one assumes the purpose of art is its effect on the viewer which is only one purpose. Think of your favorite work of art, fiction, music, did it make you feel connected to something, another person? Imagine a lonely individual who connected with the loneliness in a musical artist’s lyrics, what would be the purpose of that artist turned out to be an algorithm?

Banksy, maybe Rutkowski, and other artists have created a distinct language (in this case visual) that an algorithm can only replicate. Consider the fact that generative AI cannot successfully generate an image of a full glass of wine, since they’re not commonly photographed.

I do think that the technology itself is interesting for those that use it in original works that are intended to be about algorithms themselves like those surreal videos, I find those really interesting. But in the case of passing off algorithmic output as original art, like that guy who won that competition with an AI generated image, or when Spotify creates algorithmically generated music, to me that’s not art.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That reminds me of the Matrix - "You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realise? Ignorance is bliss"

Okay, so does it matter if there's no actual human you're connecting to, if the connection seems just as real? We're deep into philosophy there, and I can't reasonably expect an answer.

If that's the whole issue, though, I can be pretty confident it won't change the commercial realities on the ground. The artist's studio is then destined to be something that exists only on product labels, along with scenic mixed-animal barnyards. Cypher was unusually direct about it, but comforting lies never went out of style.

That's kind of how I've interpreted OP's original question here. You could say that's not a "legitimate" use even if inevitable, I guess, but I basically doubt anyone wants to hear my internet rando opinion on the matter, since that's all it would be.

Consider the fact that generative AI cannot successfully generate an image of a full glass of wine, since they’re not commonly photographed.

Okay, I have to try this. @aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com draw for me a glass of wine.

[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

I use it to re-tone and clarify corporate communications that I have to send out on a regular basis to my clients and internally. It has helped a lot with the amount of time I used to spend copy editing my own work. I have saved myself lots of hours doing something I don't really like (copy-editing) and more time doing the stuff I do (engineering) because of it.

[–] passiveaggressivesonar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] happydoors@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

I use it in a lot of tiny ways for photo-editing, Adobe has a lot of integration and 70% of it is junk right now but things like increasing sharpness, cleaning noise, and heal-brush are great with AI generation now.

[–] GuyFi@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

I have personally found it fantastic as a programming aid, and as a writing aid to write song lyrics. The art it creates lacks soul and any sense of being actually good but it's great as a "oh I could do this cool thing" inspiration machine

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 weeks ago

I hate questions like this due to 1 major issue.

A generative ai with "error free" Output, is very differently useful than one that isn't.

Imagine an ai that would answer any questions objectively and unbiased, would that threaten job? Yeah. Would it be an huge improvement for human kind? Yeah.

Now imagine the same ai with a 10% bs rate, like how would you trust anything from it?

Currently generative ai is very very flawed. That is what we can evaluate and it is obvious. It is mostly useless as it produces mostly slop and consumes far more energy and water than you would expect.

A "better" one would be differently useful but just like killing half of the worlds population would help against climate change, the cost of getting there might not be what we want it to be, and it might not be worth it.

Current market practice, cost and results, lead me to say, it is effectively useless and probably a net negative for human kind. There is no legitimate usage as any usage legitimizes the market practice and cost given the results.

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I like using it to help get the ball rolling on stuff and organizing my thoughts. Then I do the finer tweaking on my own. Basically I kinda use a sliding scale of the longer it takes me to refine an AI output for smaller and smaller improvements is what determines when I switch to manual.

[–] thepreciousboar@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

I know they are being used to, and are decently good for, extracting a single infornation from a big document (like a datasheet). Considering you can easily confirm the information is correct, it's quite a nice use case

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I wish I could have an AI in my head that would do all the talking for me because socializing is so exhausting

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Other people would then have AIs in their heads to deal with the responses.

A perfect world, where nothing is actually being said, but goddamn do we sound smart saying it

[–] ReCursing@lemmings.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

art. It's a new medium, get over it

[–] dingus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Never used it until recently. Now I use it to vent because I'm a crazy person.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So what’s the point of it all?

To reduce wages.

Instead of using tech to reduce work and allow humans to thrive and make art, we use tech to make art and force humans into long hours of drudgery and repetitive bitch work just because CEOs like to watch other people suffer I guess.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

Documentation work, synthesis, sentiment analysis

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

The winter storm was set to arrive while I’m traveling, and I needed to drip our faucets to avoid our pipes bursting. I didn’t want to waste water from a dripping faucet for more than a week, so I asked duckduckgo AI to calculate how much water will 1 drop a second accumulate and if it will overflow on a standard baththub with the drain closed. I can do the math myself, but it’s easier for AI to do it.

[–] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

Making dynamic templates.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Video generators are going to eat Hollywood alive. A desktop computer can render anything, just by feeding in a rough sketch and describing what it's supposed to be. The input could be some kind of animatic, or yourself and a friend in dollar-store costumes, or literal white noise. And it'll make that look like a Pixar movie. Or a photorealistic period piece starring a dead actor. Or, given enough examples, how you personally draw shapes using chalk. Anything. Anything you can describe to the point where the machine can say it's more [thing] or less [thing], it can make every frame more [thing].

Boring people will use this to churn out boring fluff. Do you remember Terragen? It's landscape rendering software, and it was great for evocative images of imaginary mountains against alien skies. Image sites banned it, by name, because a million dorks went 'look what I made!' and spammed their no-effort hey-neat renders. Technically unique - altogether dull. Infinite bowls of porridge.

Creative people will use this to film their pet projects without actors or sets or budgets or anyone else's permission. It'll be better with any of those - but they have become optional. You can do it from text alone, as a feral demo that people think is the whole point. The results are massively better from even clumsy effort to do things the hard way. Get the right shapes moving around the screen, and the robot will probably figure out which ones are which, and remove all the pixels that don't look like your description.

The idiots in LA think they're gonna fire all the people who write stories. But this gives those weirdos all the power they need to put the wild shit inside their heads onto a screen in front of your eyeballs. They've got drawers full of scripts they couldn't hassle other people into making. Now a finished movie will be as hard to pull off as a decent webcomic. It's gonna get wild.

And this'll be great for actors, in ways they don't know yet.

Audio tools mean every voice actor can be a Billy West. You don't need to sound like anything, for your performance to be mapped to some character. Pointedly not: "mapped to some actor." Why would an animated character have to sound like any specific person? Do they look like any specific person? Does a particular human being play Naruto, onscreen? No. So a game might star Nolan North, exclusively, without any two characters really sounding alike. And if the devs need to add a throwaway line later, then any schmuck can half-ass the tone Nolan picked for little Suzy, and the audience won't know the difference. At no point will it be "licensing Nolan North's voice." You might have no idea what he sounds like. He just does a very convincing... everybody.

Video tools will work the same way for actors. You will not need to look like anything, to play a particular character. Stage actors already understand this - but it'll come to movies and shows in the form of deep fakes for nonexistent faces. Again: why would a character have to look like any specific person? They might move like a particular actor, but what you'll see is somewhere between motion-capture and rotoscoping. It's CGI... ish. And it thinks perfect photorealism is just another artistic style.

[–] Powerbomb@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My last three usages of it:

  1. A translation
  2. Looking up what actors from Mars Attacks had shared work on another movie. I recognized that Pierce Brosnan and John Doe Baker had done Goldeneye and wondered if there were more.
  3. Name suggestions for a black and white cat - I got some funny suggestions like Oreo and a kick-ass suggestion for Domino
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Mike: "You guys watch Joe Don Baker movies?"

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