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The intelligence did not come solely from Canada. Some was provided by an unnamed ally in the Five Eyes intelligence alliance.
That's the big point in this story for me. When you have another of the five eyes (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the UK and USA) corroborating the information it makes it all the more damning.
Wait Five Guys is an intelligence network?
Nah, five guys would have ten eyes...completely different group.
Well, slightly less than 10. There was an accident with some peanuts
Five Guys Burgers and Spies
You win.
Lol that's what I first read as well.
Yes, the burgers sales help to pay their salaries
Remember the best way we can spy on ourselves is by asking another 5eyes what they spied on inside our borders. They have the resources, and we're not in trouble for internal surveillance when we use those resources.
If the five eyes didn't exist. each country would still spy on their own citizens anyway.
I don't like it but that is the reality.
At least it has a positive now and then, like this case.
At least it has a positive now and then, like this case.
At least this massive violation of human rights can be used to pick a fight with another country who disregards human rights.
In addition to restrictions on sharing intelligence from Five Eyes allies beyond the group, let alone publicly, there are also issues with the admissibility of evidence in courts that is gathered under intelligence legal exceptions.
Ensuring that the judicial court process isn’t marred by inappropriate release of intelligence would seem to be a significant challenge in this case.
Watch as Canada's so-called allies do jack shit because relations with India, a rising power they can use to futilely attempt to encircle China, are clearly more important than relations with a close ally that's fought for them, lost domestic industries for them, soured international relations for them, and has been their largest trading partner for decades.
Seriously, what the fuck? The US has had an incredibly weak position on this ordeal that's entirely unexpected from such a close ally and feels far more like something coming out of Germany or France - aligned by being part of the West but not in terms of actual interests. This is what the US has said publicly:
"They are certainly serious allegations, and we believe in order to determine how credible they are, there needs to be a thorough investigation. Prime Minister Trudeau has called for that, and so we'll see how Canada moves forward on this. It's certainly well within their capacity to do this, and we urge India as well to participate and cooperate in that investigation. It is important to find out exactly what happened."
I'm sorry, but what the fuck? We're talking about a country violating our territorial integrity to commit an assassination in a dense and developed suburb of one of our largest urban centers. This investigation has been going on for months.
Our allies are leaving us out to dry solely because, despite our history of being their steadfast ally, we don't provide them as much utility as this shiny new country that wasn't relevant until it suddenly was because the Soviet Union collapsed, they pulled out of the Middle East, and they declared China to be the new big bad.
We didn't do shit when our own citizen was butchered on the order of a foreign head of state.
Didn't do shit when a foreign head of state effectively ordered his "bodyguards" to attack American citizens who were protesting on American soil.
We're barely doing shit about the currently growing coup.
to be fair, "doing shit" really means "doing shit that benefits people without much power and influence", so, there's basically no incentive other than "because it's the right and just thing to do" which has never been the M.O. , despite everything people have been taught in the movies you make.
Khashoggi isn't Canadian, though. Plus, US-Canada relations are, I'd imagine, a bit tighter than US-Saudi relations... I'd hope, at least.
He was American. And I was using our American "lack of doing shit" examples. Re: allies
He wasn't killed on American soil.
Didn't say he was. Nor should it matter.
I believe you are replying to somebody from the US. Khashoggi was not killed on US soil though.
India is accused of killing a Canadian on Canadian soil. That is pretty bad. It puts them in a pretty small club of state actors. The obvious peer is Russia.
When did Russia do the same?
World moves fast. Can you remind me what happened?
Oh of course. Got confused by who you were referring to as "we".
Well, I wasn't the OP, but having a president basically say, "Yeah, a foreign government murdered and dismembered one of our citizens, but do you realize how much money they spend here?" hasn't really left my consciousness.
We’re talking about a country violating our territorial integrity to commit an assassination in a dense and developed suburb of one of our largest urban centers.
Exactly the reason it would be in poor taste for the USA to make a big stink about it. They do this all the fucking time! We need a more credible ally.
Haha ok fair
What exactly do we expect them to do, bomb India?
I'm guessing there's a fair bit of behind-scenes stuff going on between Canada and allied countries, including how this evidence was gathered and provided in the first place.
To openly condemn an assassination of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil?
Let Modi and his supporters bury themselves in lies and bullshit while they organize the evidence then drop it on him like a fucking mountain, hopefully.
I dunno, sanctions? There are a lot of things that can be done in the vast gulf that exists between doing nothing and bombing another country.
I'm all for that but those things generally don't happen overnight
The US hasn't even made an indication that they disapprove of India's actions. There's no pretext for sanctions.
Where do you think the signals intelligence came from? I guess helping prove the crime isn’t enough for you?
I think it came from treaties under which we have obligations to share our signals intelligence with other foreign states. They didn't have a choice but to share the intelligence with us. It wasn't a favour.
Ah yes, providing sources and then saying "aight that's all, don't let anyone know it's us because we sure as hell don't want this linked back to us"
A true ally.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Canadian government has amassed both human and signals intelligence in a months-long investigation of a Sikh activist's death that has inflamed relations with India, sources tell CBC News.
In a diplomatic crisis that unfolded progressively behind the scenes, Canadian officials went to India on several occasions seeking cooperation in the investigation of Hardeep Singh Nijjar's death.
"I can assure you that the decision to share these allegations on the floor of the House of Commons … was not done lightly," Trudeau said Thursday in New York after attending the United Nations General Assembly.
When asked about the intelligence reports, Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland said she couldn't comment without risking the investigation and Canada's obligations to its Five Eyes partners.
"That partnership rests very much on those… intelligence conversations being held in confidence," she told CBC News Network's Power & Politics host David Cochrane.
Asked if Ottawa is thinking about retaliating by pausing visa processing for Indian visitors, Freeland said the government is focused on bringing the killers to justice.
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