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Dude: "I wish traffic in my area wasn't so bad"
Genie: "Ok, people driving in your area will be financially penalized for using their car instead of public transit, therefore alleviating traffic."
Dude: "hey wait, I want an exception made for me! I am special. I am the main character, I should be the only one driving a car!"
Genie: "That was your third wish. Goodbye."
The congestion zone starts at 60th Street and heads south, so traveling from 61st - 79th street won't even encounter the congestion pricing. This guy is dumb on so many levels.
EDIT: I just looked it up on a map and 61st is a one way going west towards Central Park, so if you enter 61st from Madison Ave, you're forced to exit at 5th Ave and go south entering the zone, which I guess is this guy's problem?. I also looked up the guy and he's a CEO Real Estate developer, so he's living in a multi-million dollar place right next to Central Park and can't afford to pay $9 because his private parking spot in his building forces him to drive into the congestion pricing zone. Come on!
Wait, it's 9 dollars?
Oh my God. I thought it was cheap. This poor bastard, does he have a GoFundMe I can donate to? This is highway robbery, it's going to drive him straight to the poor house or worse the public transportation system!
Another case of the big bad gubberment hurting the little guy!
Maybe he's a shady CEO scared his shit business practices will get him capped so he avoids all public transit.
Awww he might have to go on the big scary subway and desk with the poors.. A sad day indeed
Isn't the point of the congestion fee to relieve congestion? Each person that says "this fee is stupid & I'm not paying" is one less vehicle in the area.
Sounds like a win.
That is indeed the goal, but there is still a PR battle to be had on the issue.
To my knowledge this is the first time that congestion pricing has been implemented in North-America, and how people react to this will decide whether other North-American cities are willing to take the risk and do the same thing. Over the next couple of months there will likely be a lot of opinion pieces and articles that try to make you think that the congestion pricing is a failure and should be reversed.
Edit: typo
I was wondering if there was more to the story. Like, maybe he has a disability and NYC doesn't have an exemption for disabilities. They do, however, have an exemption for disabilities as well as a reduced rate for low income residents. To me it sounds like this guy is just lazy.
Looking at this on Google Maps, he can get anywhere on 76th St using one bus or subway ride and a 5-10 minute walk.
Zero sympathy.
Wow, I can't believe you'd suggest subjecting this poor man to something as horrible as being forced to use a public bus.
"Ahh, the old number 22. Clean, reliable public transportation. The chariot of the people. The ride of choice for the poor and very poor alike!"
His kids live on 79th street and he will have to pay congestion price every time he goes to see them.
So like, what, Christmas and their birthdays?
Imagine if we got this sort of coverage whenever someone was inconvenienced by public transit being cut, or a bike lane being blocked, or fares being raised.
But that doesn't manufacture consent for the corporate dictatorship?
Just take the 6 like 2 stops you absolute donkey
Love how this is in the one US city where you need a car the least as far as I know. You've got the subway, the sidewalks, cabs... I mean sure, the latter exists in the form of ride sharing apps basically everywhere now, but NYC had cabs even in old movies. Though I suspect most other cities of any real size had them as well
There are buses too. Last time I visited NYC I used buses all the time. They were clean, frequent, cheap, and I had great conversations with other passengers. 10/10.
Isn't that less than two miles away?
I suppose he could also have to travel down 79th a bit, but Manhattan is only about 2 miles wide anyway, right? So like...worst case scenario, a four mile walk.
Okay. That would be a significant walk. Probably an hour or two. But in NYC, how likely is it that you can get to your car, travel to your destination four miles away, find parking, and then walk to your destination (1) in less than an hour, and (2) for less than $9?
Get a bike, bro. Or hey, I hear New York has this fancy new doohickey called a "subway."
It's about a 24 minute walk or a 17 minute journey by bus
Under 10m by bike
If you catch all the lights. Urban biking can be a bit weird to time correctly.
Isn’t that less than two miles away?
I have a coworker who lives less than two kilometers from work and he complained that our workplace doesn't have enough parking spots. There is a bus stop right in front of our building and two bus routes connecting to his neighbourhood, yet he refuses to ever take the bus
I drove once in NYC. Never again. I'd gladly walk 3x that distance to avoid having to use a car. Or, ya know, use (gasp) public transportation.
Nobody drives in NYC! Too much traffic.
Dude is complaining because even though he just lives out side of the zone he still has to pay the fee even when he travels north to 79th which is also outside zone. That area is all one way streets and if he wants to go north he has to travel south first into the zone and then he can turn around and drive to 79th. Though I have zero sympathy if you can afford to live right next to Central Park you can afford to pay the fee hundreds of times per week.
it's almost like that's the point of congestion pricing
Also, where the fuck is he finding a place to park on E 79th St. anyway?
See, this is another thing that this congestion pricing will help alleviate: driving around several blocks for an hour, looking for a spot, wasting fuel and polluting.
It’s hard to believe this is real. Who would try a car for a trip like that? It would be so inconvenient
They may take our lives, but they will never take our DRIVING 18 BLOCKS TO SEE OUR CHILDREN
Property shark CEO inconvencied. Sad trombone.
Can somebody share a better measurement than "18 blocks" for the rest of the world?