Chaos Communication Congress is such a cool event... 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪
Last year, they hacked a train to prove that the manufacturing company wrote code that fully locks the train when it arrives at rival repair shops.
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What models have they tracked?
all their electric cars
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All new cars
It doesn't say 'new'. It says in both the source tweet and linked event scheduling description 'electric cars'. Not new, not all... electric.
Electric cars are more associated with smart junk but most of it is in newer ICE cars as well. What engine the car has is of little relevance to the computer system.
Hard to know as the whole presentation hasn't been released yet, for now only people who were in the conference room would know.
Let's be real, any VW cars with a head unit with maps capabilities and a SIM card are certainly tracked down. Why would it be limited to electric drivetrain cars only? There's no GPS in the motors... It's in the head unit
This echoes my thought. A friend of mine had a petrol driven Golf from like 2019 or so with an app he could use to access it. I think it had a GPS built in, so I don’t see why VW wouldn’t have been able to record that.
Car manufacturers don’t face nearly enough scrutiny or regulation as they ought.
In the now-released video, he mentions that it's all the cars that use the MED-platform, which happens to be electric cars.
Specifically, he mentions these models:
- VW ID.3, ID.4, ID.5, ID.7
- Skoda Enyaq
- Audi Q4 e-tron
- Seat Cupra Born
I don't know, if this is a comprehensive list.
It's mentioned around 3:30 in the video.
Ah, thank you!
So the Leon is not included, thank you for clearing that up (:
They do actually mention the Leon on one slide at 13:48 and then another at 16:35. The first is related to enrollment data, which is basically whether you're using their app + some metadata. The second one relates to their fleet management solution, which does allow them to collect position data, apparently. But I think, the Leon is not part of this leak, at least. At 22:26, they show the list of models that are part of the leak and the Leon is not mentioned.
Pretty much all objects with Internet connections that aren't running FOSS top-to-bottom.
Tech bros really never got the idea that cyberpunk is a genre of dystopian fiction.
You're confusing the people who wrote the code with the product (business) team that decided they could monetize it. Engineers in large companies have zero creative control, and the people who do look more like wall street finance bros than the guys on silicon valley. Not that they don't also suck, but please get why they suck.
Tech bros refers to a misogynistic behavior within tech circles and especially software development tied to traditional ideas that women can't be technical because their vaginas get in the way. As a secondary bonus this leads to women trying to crush other women.
What if tech bros could be considered bad for two reasons?
No. No it does not.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/tech-bro
Because I see you skipped the first search result I'll put this here for you https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brogrammer
Here is the third https://yourstory.com/2024/05/tech-bro-mindset-culture-decoded
You're blaming the toxic worker for the differently toxic management decisions.
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Bro but why would you blame management, ie decisions makers within corpo structure, when you could be blaming the wagie...
Not very capitalist of you, mate!
It's a dystopic for us, for them it is the bright future
Then they need to read/watch more closely, because it isn't all that bright for the people at the top either.
...because they think they'll be on the profiteering side.
And they think that the profiteering side still works like how it does today.
I just watched the video. It is again a great and understandable talk, even for someone who has little technical knowledge. They also subtitle all their videos in English. I recommend it to everyone.
Video-Link with English dub: https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-wir-wissen-wo-dein-auto-steht-volksdaten-von-volkswagen#l=eng
Is there a company yet that let's me pay them to internet disconnect and rip out sensors on a modern car?
I recognize that its a tricky process, but since the Mozilla report, it seems like there's a market for it. I'd happily pay $5k for a privacy-mod to an electric vehicle.
You misspelled: “I will happily re-elect and maybe donate to someone that will vote against this bullshit use of people’s data.”
Edit: my point is no one should be subject to this BS regardless of how much they can pay.
No
I don't want this data to exist
That's different from controlling use
Either way, it's better not to force people to pay to keep their privacy.
It's a well known privacy issue to those who care about privacy. It’s Official: Cars Are Terrible at Privacy and Security
The good news is that it this information will eventually reach the insurance companies. That should help with terrible car drivers getting some incentives and disincentives to not suck so much.
Automakers Are Sharing Consumers’ Driving Behavior With Insurance Companies - The New York Times
If you want freedom, you get a bicycle.
Nah, it'll just make insurance more expensive and allow them to have more excuses to deny claims. Giving insurance companies more data to work with is never a good thing.
Deny claims and raise the premium.
Don't want to deal with car insurance? Help end car dependency.
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Isn't this very illegal in the EU?
Can we please start criminally punishing the execs that signed off on this?
There is an enormous problem with companies just knowingly and willingly breaking the law, taking the fines as cost of business
For your own good, boy
You can probably assume every device with satnav and an internet connection is doing this.
And those 20 pages of text you scrolled to the bottom of without reading in order to click the OK button to get the directions to the nearest McDonalds gives them every right to do so.
Das Dumbass
They collect every single thing from how many times you open your door to how fast you drive
hahahaha toldya x50
Somebody made it public explicitly because S3 buckets are private by default. So I guess some of their components needed to be able to read it and they didn't have the skills or time/money to do it in a more fine-grained way.
I am so glad my car was made just before all this massive enshittification.
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