When you ignore the whole fucking up democracy and the potential for far reaching effects.
Not able to elect your Speaker from your own party to certify your party’s incoming President is comedy gold.
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I just cannot believe that this country is going to be run by the worst / stupidest people and all because a lot of stupid people think Biden sets the prices of groceries...
It does have precedent though. That's how Reagan won in a landslide. Very similar circumstances - inflation, small military disaster, uninspiring president. Of course Reagan wasn't as depraved and dumb as Trump so he won by a lot more.
However inflation definitely has a history of short circuiting voters' brains. Maybe it has something to do with how the media doesn't really understand it and does a terrible job explaining it to people. I'd guess at most 5% of voters know that there are multiple inflation measures - some of which were already rising during Trump's term - and that the typically-reported number is over the last 12 months, not right now (meaning the "record low inflation" at the end of Trump's term included the whole start of the pandemic when there was deflation). Republicans are great at filling an information vacuum with their narrative, so they said it was Biden's fault and people fell for that easy explanation.
I keep telling people, it's not the darkest timeline we ended up in, but the dumbest one. Reality is always much dumber than you'd expect.
There's still plenty of time for it to be both.
Yea, darkest would probably be everyone surviving H bombs, but leaving us in nuclear winter.
I've already warned my family, if nukes start dropping in our area, I'm running towards the blast - I'm not hanging round to rebuild.
My whole family feels the same. There's a military base about 20 minutes away. We'd probably be dead anyway because of how close we are, but we're going to drive as close as possible just to make sure.
Yeah, I'd rather die in the blast than slowly doom radiation poisoning and/or cancer.
Chance of turning into a ghoul and meeting Danny Trejo in a hundred years or so though.
The GOP wants the election certification to become a murky uncertain process. Trump won the electoral college and will be the next president - that isn't in doubt.
However, if they make confirmation a confused process then in the next election they can subvert the process and steal it.
More like they created a legal theory that if you're not certified on Jan 6, then there's no process to handle the transition and so it's all up in the air
Then, they assumed every president would use this "loophole" if only they could
Everything is projection with them
which could delay certification of Trump’s 2024 election victory on January 6.
The MAGA movement, newly emboldened by Trump's election victory, storms the capital again to overthrow the Trump administration and install a more pro-Trump regime.
Trumpiest regime ever. Some say it's not Trumpy enough but they are losers.
They could just choose Musk, Speaker of House does not have to be a member of the house.
So they could just not certify the election and they have (acting) President Musk! 🤡
Edit: Supreme court then rules an "Acting President" doesn't actually need to be a natural born citizen, since he's not technically in office. And also add "This ruling shall only apply to Elon Musk."
Yeah this is the kind of bs that terrifies me.
So. 20 Jan; Biden is no longer president. It would pass to the Speaker to be acting President. — and yeah I could see a few yahoos thinking that would be awesome. Ffs
It legally couldn't pass to Musk, it would pass down to Patty Murray, the President Pro Tempore of the Senate.
"Patricia Lynn Murray is an American politician and president pro tempore of the United States Senate since 2023 and the senior United States Senator from Washington since 1993. A member of the Democratic Party, Murray served in the Washington State Senate from 1989 to 1993. She was Washington's first female U.S. senator and is the first woman in American history to hold the position of president pro tempore. Murray is also the youngest senator to occupy the office of president pro tempore in more than five decades. As president pro tempore, Murray is third in the line of succession to the U.S. presidency."
So yeah... They won't, but if they botched everything spectacularly, it would fall to a Democrat.
Lol don't worry, trump just joked about how Elon can't be president because he's an immigrant
Please tell me you're not a writer for this coming season of Orange Turd in the White House.
Because I couldn't take the stress from the last season.
I'm sorry about that we did decide to slow things down a little this season. Elon should become Speaker in the 2027 Congress and then Trump and Vance are double impeached for corporate treason. We expect Elon's state of emergency to last about a decade before Texas votes to be annexed by Russia.
-Sincerely, Outside Dev Team
Will we at least get quality borscht?
They're going to put Ketchup in it and claim it's TexRus.
Notice how the only good things in Texas are ones that got appropriated from other cultures.
And let's face it: take the Velveeta off TexMex, add some flavor, and what you have left is Mexican food, which is even better.
Good Tex Mex does not have Velveeta.
As long as you don't compare it to Mexican food, Tex Mex can be fucking delicious. I just look at it as a different type/ethnicity of food
It would be less anger inducing if these idiots didn't fail upwards because others just aren't willing to hold them accountable for anything at all.
It would be hilarious if the Dems flipped 1 or 2 Republicans and took the majority leader spot for half a second.
Trump would have a full on temper tantrum.
This feels like such a microcosm of the Republican party: everyone gets elected on a wide array of misinformation, conspiracy, and empty populist rhetoric, but then fight over leadership because no one person can unify the diverse party they cobbled together to win the popular vote.
The Republicans have been so focused on grabbing power for themselves that they can't even figure out who should have power when it has to be centralized.
These guise don’t even know how to win.
This is also why Project 2025 will only be half implemented. Too many people working at cross purposes while trying to change an unfathomably complex system. They aren't united in purpose; they only look that way on the surface.
Mind you, the bits that do get rammed through will be terrible enough.
All it takes is one chimpanzee to sling their own shit in the general direction of a complex machine and you risk the shit seeping inside and doing permanent damage. The problem is that it's not just one. Trump has a whole army of chimps with their dicks in one hand and their shit in the other. And all they care about is covering the machine in so much waste that nobody will want to touch it even if it does still appear to work.
True. Things would need to escalate towards some night of the long knives (in minecraft) of the republican party for either Trump or Elmo to gain absolute power.
Dis guise in dis array.
So if they fail to elect a speaker and can’t certify before the 20th, in theory Chuck Grassely as president pro tempore of the senate, would assume office at least until such time that the votes would be certified.
That’s assuming they keep with tradition of electing the most senior member of the party in power to the position. In all likelyhood if this were even a remote possibility they’d put some trump loyalist in the position until trump was sworn in. Grassley may be a loyalist, I’m not entirely sure. And of course this is assuming the senate has their shit together. If they don’t, I think the current Secretary of State gets it.
If you expect any of them to hold to tradition you'll be disappointed
They'll hold to traditional when it suits them. There's no particular reason why they would turn against Chuck.
However there's no saying what suits them. They're too fractured to have a predictable policy outside of fuck the poor.
If they don't certify on time, it's supposed to go to a contingent election, where the House votes for the President (with 1 vote per State delegation) and the Senate votes for VP. Presumably, the Senate would vote for Vance in short order. But if the House still can't get it's shit together, and there is no contingent election for President, what happens? Would Vance get directly inaugurated as President?
I am convinced that this was the loophole that Trump was talking about to deny the Presidency to Harris if she won the election. It would be poetic justice if the GOP establishment uses it to screw Trump over.
To clarify:
A contingent election occurs if Congress will not choose a president. This, theoretically, would only occur in the case of an electoral college tie but can also occur if Congress refuses to certify for whatever reason.
In the event both Certification and a Contingent election cannot occur by the 20th, we have an Acting President according to the line of succession.
Without a speaker, they cannot hold a Contingent Election. With a speaker, they would not need to.
But wouldn't the Senate be empowered to pick the VP in their part of a contingent election, even if the House is still picking a speaker? And then that person would be in the valid line of succession if there is no contingent election for President by inauguration day.
The senate can theoretically do their votes to choose a Vice President. It wouldn't matter without the House.
And while MAYBE there could be years of debate over whether the VPOTUS can be chosen without a POTUS, that ain't happening.
Ah good point. In this case Vance could be elected as vice president in the senate, and the assume the office of president until the house gets its shit together
The House would only have until inauguration day to get it's shit together, though. If they don't elect someone by then, someone has to actually take office on that day. If no President has been certified, but a VP has, then the VP would.
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“Maybe if we wait long enough, someone will kill him and we can try again”
If it can be questioned when they get what they want, then it lays the groundwork for it to be questioned when they don't.
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