Why not Mastodon?
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Their main business and source of money is a proprietary centralized platform. Mastodon is the opposite.
Because casual mainstream basic folk (non-techie) don't like the slight legwork you need to do and understand the Fediverse
I saw an article from Yahoo (Source: The Independent) last week about Bluesky's current success from Xitter refugees and it also listed other similar groups like Mastedon. What didn't surprise me is that they said Mastedon is predominantly "techie" which includes the majority of it's user base as "supernerds" with the site having the "steepest learning curve." This was an op-ed from an outsider.
Until Mastedon can appeal to simple minded mainstream basic folk (which is a pretty good size of netizens) it will always be a niche group.
Until fediverse advocates stop thinking of people as simple minded, they will never understand the steps needed to be relevant.
The main advantage to Bluesky’s architecture is centralized identity and distributed components.
The centralized identity is key. Unless someone figures out a way to do this in activitypub, the fediverse will remain niche.
That's more or less what NOSTR is trying to achieve
Until Mastedon can appeal to simple minded mainstream basic folk (which is a pretty good size of netizens) it will always be a niche group.
I think the bigger problem is that the tech press starts from the perspective that Mastodon and the Fediverse is just for techie nerds and then fills out the narrative with supporting details and so unless those narratives are challenged Mastodon and the Fediverse will never be for normal people because the Tech press and the money behind it won't let that narrative stick in the general public's minds.
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Accurate username
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That's great, I suppose less concentration to a single platform is a better direction.
Is there less rage and frothing at the mouth on Bluesky? I would imagine whatever ills plague Twitter would also eventually come to Bluesky, because people are there. And people are people. We don't seem to have a solution to the problem - which is a specific subset of people intent on harm, and allowing them direct and wholesale access to the social fabric.
So easy nowadays to fabricate rage-inducing and follower-generating bait. No time for truth and no plan to really get there. How long before we see someone take a stab at a ministry of truth?
The block function is heavily used. Whole block lists get passed around quite frequently. I've never really seen much hate on there unless I'm clicking into something obviously heated politically. Other people may have other experiences, but the current culture there is to not engage the hate farmers and just block people instead
Which is honestly how it should be, feeding the trolls or tolerating them is detrimental to any platform, even engaging with them to correct them is giving them fuel.
Reporting and blocking is the only way and have always been, I don't know what changed that people decided tolerating/engaging with them was being the better person.
Reporting and blocking is the only way and have always been, I don’t know what changed that people decided tolerating/engaging with them was being the better person.
I think it's the general focus on driving engagement and feeding the algorithm.
And what's the excuse for things like the fediverse where there's no algorithm?
It isn't rare to find troll accounts (specially on news communities) and people keep engaging with them, I doubt people even attempt at reporting them since they last a long time
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b-b-but echo chamber!
True... People are extremely gullible and fall for these kinds of traps
In the real world, you cool down hostility by talking it out. On the internet it’s the opposite, and that approach gives the village idiot a global megaphone to radicalize or enrage others with. I think mass adoption social media is new enough that we’re still figuring out how it should work.
In the real world you don't get obvious bad faith actors in your face shouting nonsense very often, and when you do, you usually walk away from them too. It's not helpful to engage with people who are actively working against cooling down.
Isn't it more in the real world people don't interact with close to the number of people they do on the internet, and they never encounter or avoid a lot of people which acts like a real world filter or blocklist?
Internet is like walking in a store and then being flooded with hearing the thoughts of everyone in the store like you're experiencing a telepathic attack.
In the real world, you cool down hostility by talking it out.
I mean... it depends, not everything can be descalated, dependes on the person, their intentions and the place.
On the internet it’s the opposite, and that approach gives the village idiot a global megaphone to radicalize or enrage others with.
Pretty much, people know how to behave or they don't... and they can learn or not, but we have no reason to tolerate the village idiots.
I think mass adoption social media is new enough that we’re still figuring out how it should work.
I remember old forums, there was no tolerance for trolls and you could get punished along the troll for feeding it, so people learned to leave them alone and just report them, good sites/forums were heavily moderated and curated.
I think it started to go down the drain when moderation/ownership was removed from the users, just like with community servers for multiplayer games, companies care only about their own interests so allowing trolls who cause engagement by bait were more than welcome, they just pretended to moderate the services.
Nowadays... well reddit punishes mods who actually moderate the subs so that's a waste of time, the fediverse seems to need to learn to just not tolerate nor engage with trolls... and the users have to learn to just report and block, just like the BlueSky users do so the mods can locate and remove the trolls (either users or servers).
I think admins/mods must be MUCH less tolerant of possible trolls and not be afraid about curating the content to their liking... it's their server/community after all.
Nuclear block plus a culture of not feeding the trolls means the only toxic accounts I've run across are just a day or two old. Block and move on. The experience can only be as negative as each user lets it be.
This has been my experience too. The community moderation tools on top of the tools available to moderate my own feed are leagues ahead of other platforms. Being able to temporarily block keywords feels really awesome in avoiding dumb shit that can blast through social media.
Is there less rage and frothing at the mouth on Bluesky?
Yes, but I think that's temporary. When you have tens of millions of users, that's inevitable. Right now a lot of people are on their honeymoon periods, but I already see sprouts of negative attitude.
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