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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

That supply of cannon fodder should last about a month or so.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 34 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

If they do, I'd say it would be okay to strike on NK territory, because with 100k troops they basically entered the war. It's a lot. It's not just a few tanks, an instructor and a repair crew or so.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 31 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

I don't think anyone wants a hot war in NK, and I'm not sure what good it would do.

Europe needs to (and should have) get off their butts and send every piece of hardware they have to Ukraine though, even cutting edge ones. Maybe even enforce a no-fly zone. As I keep asking, what are they waiting for... Spain to invade France? No, they built all this stuff to deter Soviet aggression, and its just sitting there, rotting instead of doing its job. If Ukraine would have stayed secure, they basically would never have to worry about this again.

Now they have no excuse. Russia clearly has no shame. And it's almost (but not quite) too late.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Bombing a few prominent military installations in NK could teach their leader a valuable lesson and cause dissent among his sheeple. They probably think they can be safe while joining the war and need a wake up call

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 hours ago

Nah, their leader don't give a shit for their population, if something killing the leader would be more efficient

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

And then they bomb SK in retaliation and cause a huge mass casualty event, along with a war in Asia.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Why would they retaliate against SK when the US, Europe or Ukraine bomb them for basically attacking Ukraine. That would be useless.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Because they hold SK hostage with the amount of artillery they have. Same for SK holding NK hostage. It's a mexican standoff that has been in place for decades. Once you start attacking NK, they have nothing to lose. So they make the decision to attack them an even costlier one.

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 hours ago

To be fair they never moved their artillery location since forever, SK could steam roll over them faster than desert storm, they aren't afraid of NK winning, they are afraid of them losing and SK fucking their economy for a hell hole full of malnourished and ignorant people with their entire world revolving around their worshiping their leader, bombing Kim Jong-un would be faster tho, but they would have to put a puppet government there for decades

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de -4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Because placing putin in a completely unwinnable position will greatly increase/hasten the likelihood of nuking Ukraine and possibly other areas of Europe into a sheet of glass.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, well, this is what everyone thought in Georgia, and Ukraine in 2014.

He's not going to change. His chosen successor probably won't either.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It's the weirdest philosophy. Can't shoot the grizzly bear, that might enrage it and cause it to maul us faster.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

With the only saving grace being that he's actually like a hesitant coyote not big enough to take a combined Europe, but with a bomb strapped to its chest.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

You are right, we have to give putin more ground so next time he does this shit he will... have more power? Are you sure this math of yours is working?

[–] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What's your solution then? It's a fair enough concern that Putin backed in to a corner is going to become even more unhinged and throw some nukes around, no?

It seems the only option down that path is to accept that the endgame here is having all of Russia, and at least one other country, nuked.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I doubt there's an easy solution. Right now the play is squeezing Russia at a slow pace, hopefully causing the country to bleed itself dry and most of its people there calling for a war to fizzle out and running them out of a fighting force. Continue keeping Russia in a state of hardship.

[–] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

I was replying to the other guy, and agreeing with you :)

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de -3 points 8 hours ago

I'm not saying give him ground. I'm saying ww3 would best be avoided.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Can they even accomplish the logistics of this? I wouldn’t be surprised if only 60,000 make it and they arrive starving.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

Not on North Korean territory, but on North Koreans in Ukraine? Why not.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 2 points 12 hours ago

Sure, but Ukraine has neither the means nor the desire to attack North Korea.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

the war ends easily in 2025 when elon musk tells him over the phone that he needs to surrender and give russia a third of the country

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Basically. Trump’s election signals the end of robust support for Ukraine (if it can even be called that). So Putin is absolutely charged right now and 1/3 could be the best deal Ukraine is going to get. It’s a travesty, but there it is.

I just hope that Putin takes the cue and ends his ridiculous imperialistic drive. His early bloodless annexation of Crimea clearly encouraged broader action, but this war has been an expensive flop for him and I can’t really see him coming back from it to try for more. Unless there is some other neighbor who’s outlying 1/3 he would like to pay a very dear price for.

More likely his prize is concessions on NATO expansion.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 12 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

can’t really see him coming back from it to try for more.

Then you clearly haven't studied Russian history and policy vis a vis Ukraine

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

That’s true, I am not deeply educated there. Any info you would impart on the topic? Does Russia have some perpetual hardon for controlling Ukraine which will never go down?

[–] Hubi@feddit.org 6 points 6 hours ago

The modern Russian government is essentially claiming the territory of the Soviet Union. The reason they started their invasion now is because it was the last chance before Ukraine would become a EU and NATO candidate. If Ukraine falls, Russia will rearm and try pull the exact same "little green men" strategy in the Baltic states, Georgia and Moldova next.