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Spoiler: it was Russia.
Anyway, let's be honest, the dream of the "world wide web" is, and always was, pretty damn naive.
The internet and society at large would be a better place if we told our geopolitical enemies (China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, etc.) to fuck off and make their own internet (which they're trying to do anyway, but today are benefiting from the best of both worlds). This one-way great firewall bullshit where foreign governments restrict what their people can see coming out of the west, while easily manipulating what our people see on social media via disinformation and troll farms, has not been working out.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but we would be much better off with multiple multi-national intranets among allied nations with shared values, interests, laws, and accountability.
Could also be China. They did it last time.
Yeah no. We already see various forms of direct government censorship and indirect censorship through private entities holding key social media platforms.
The last thing we need is a full embracement of shutting down and censoring. Also it is entirely impractical, as you have overlaps as two nations at odds with each other might both be on good terms with a third nation.
Finally, what happens when you go on holiday? Do you want special government approved agents to be the only ones eligble to purchase a plane ticket from and book a hotel with? Prepare to pay triple and end up with a system even more ripened with corruption than the current economy.
Finally it is naive to think that this would stop competing disinformation. Just have a satelite interface and maybe some private network as bridge and voilá.
All this does is fuck over the people more, while the elites get to continue their shit.
Did it fall out of a window?
Elon doesn’t push people out of a window ;)
No, he gets them trumped up charges and forces them into private prisons where they have to work building underground, private expressways so they can buy soap and food
Oh you know he’s gonna own one of those work camps. This is all a plan to have cheap labor in the US so we don’t need china.
Sure, unknown, and likely not at all related to this: Russian spy ship escorted away from area with critical cables in Irish Sea and the fact that Russia has said they have a free hand to destroy "enemy" undersea cables.
Perhaps we'll never know what happened to those cables in the Baltic Sea /s
People sure are quick to blame Russia, when in reality, it's Hvaldimir, a rogue spy Beluga whale. I mean, sure, he was trained by Russia, but now he's a merc for hire. This was his first solo gig to get him international notoriety and tell us he's up for grab$.
Hvaldimir died a few months ago, I believe.
That's exactly what they WANT you to think
The Norwegians?
How many copies of the sims do you think that whale owns?
Cause: Russia desperately fishing for leverage out at sea.
They were actually threatening to do it.
Every one of these that are cut increases the value of Starlink
Lex Luther owns that, right?
Nah, it's Phony Stark.
So was it the the Russians who blew up their own Nord pipeline, or was it that Ukrainian guy with a yacht? It's hard to keep track
Data cables defo Russia sabotage (if deliberate), doesn't serve anyone else's goals
Ukranian special ops, acting on their own
Edit: Story
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky initially approved the plan, according to one officer who participated and three people familiar with it. But later, when the CIA learned of it and asked the Ukrainian president to pull the plug, he ordered a halt, those people said. Zelensky’s commander in chief, Valeriy Zaluzhniy, who was leading the effort, nonetheless forged ahead.
Not exactly on their own initially according to this article.
Zelensky took Zaluzhniy to task, but the general shrugged off his criticism, according to three people familiar with the exchange. Zaluzhniy told Zelensky that the sabotage team, once dispatched, went incommunicado and couldn’t be called off because any contact with them could compromise the operation.
"Oops" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thst story is completely fake - it has no source.
Except for the German federal prosecutors, Dutch officials, former Ukranian commander in chief, and the sabotage team themselves, I suppose you're right.
Days after the attack, in October 2022, Germany’s foreign secret service received a second tipoff about the Ukrainian plot from the CIA, which again passed on a report by the Dutch military intelligence agency MIVD. It offered a detailed account of the attack, including the type of boat used and the possible route taken by the crew, according to German and Dutch officials.
Inasumuch as you can have a source for a covert operation after the fact.
Can you link the direct source - like, statement of german police or official press conference?
I've spent some time looking into this and found no direct sources.
BTW, these articles are copypaste - There were bunch of much older (2023?) ones which I also failed to find any credible source for.
EDIT: Correction, the first articles about this came out 3 months ago
The part about Zelenski ordering sabotage while drunk has both no source and is utterly ridiculous.
The part about Zelenski ordering sabotage while drunk has both no source and is utterly ridiculous.
I agree. I also didn't see it in the article -?
If you want to find German federal prosecutor records, or Dutch itelligence reports - I'm not sure where to go for those.
It pains me to say this but the WSJ, while being a Murdoch rag and certainly guilty of ridiculous bias in the way it reports things, isn't really known for making up things whole cloth like the Daily Mail or something.
Do you think German police would issue an arrest warrant against a Ukrainian, while their country is supporting Ukraine in the war, if they didn't have any solid proof? https://apnews.com/article/germany-nord-stream-pipelines-explosions-investigation-d5579ea69995e8f309ac58c588c39004
Nordstream redux? I wonder if Hetzner is affected.
The cause: неизвестный
That’s not how you spell Elon Musk
Cost of doing business, get moving on laying another cable, simple as
They can't splice it?