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[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Fuck the west for making Ukraine fight in shackles.

[–] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

The west is the only reason they are able to fight at all.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

The long range missile shackles where just taken off by Biden.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

Am I wrong in thinking "Russia launches massive attack on Ukraine" is a headline I see weekly, after which I don't hear about any gains by Russia?

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Russian gains aren't usually connected to these attacks at all.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say it's a very effective invasion tactic in that case.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Don't be so harsh on the second army in Ukraine.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago

Each side is trying to wear down the other rather than make massive territorial gains as in the early days of the war.

[–] Joker@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

You can check the updates using this map to see Russian gains in the war.

Here is the latest update:

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Well it says "liberated" which should have been "stolen".

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I used to look at that site quite often but can you explain where I am shoving my head up my ass on that image you posted.

Shouldn't: Total Temp occupied = (Occupied after + occupied before - liberated )?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Nah it's Occupied after = Total temporary occupied - liberated. At least approximately. Occupied before seems to be included in occupied after, that is, both numbers count Crimea and the "people's republics".

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Ah okay, must be the estimates that we're throwing me, no matter how I put them together I had leftovers. And it wasn't pizza, so I was disappointed.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 8 hours ago

Oh, wait, no: Total temp occupied = occupied after + occupied before makes more sense. It's liberated which is not included in any equation and no bar shows currently occupied. which should be temp occupied - liberated.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Okay, but that really doesn't answer my question. I'm talking about week by week not everything after almost two years ago. Of course they have occupied more of Ukraine once they invaded.

[–] nulluser@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I think the point is that you can recheck it weekly if you want to see how much it changed.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

That will let me answer that question weeks from now. Which isn't especially helpful.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The best resource I've found is ISW.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Just glancing at it, that looks quite informative. I'll take a deeper look later. Thanks.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Despite appearances, this is Russia trying to bomb things like tank factories. It's just actually really hard without stealth and only some of their long range drones/missiles have good guidance systems. So they hardly ever hit what they're aiming for, when they manage to make it past Ukrainian air defenses.

In the past they've just fired enough to level everything within the dispersion area. That's more effective with artillery shells because they're much harder to intercept. But they don't have the range to reach strategic targets deep inside Ukraine.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That makes a lot of sense, thank you.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

His statement is unfortunately untrue and part of the Russian narrative (although probably the poster is unaware).

Russia is deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure to freeze out Ukrainian civilians in the hopes they will force their government to capitulate. This is the modern version of carpet bombing cities. Their ballistic missiles are plenty accurate and the only types of weapons that can properly damage hard targets like powerplants.

Ukraine is cold now, and will be colder in a few weeks. By products of power generation is heat, and used for heating homes.

Russians target hospitals, universities, cultural centres and locations with a lot of citizens. They even do double tap attacks (hitting a civilian target like a coffee shop and then 7 minutes later.. once first responders arrived hit the exact same place again).

A random housing block far behind the front might be deviated ordenance.. hitting powerplants with a kinzal missile is not.