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Democrats are garbage (lemmy.ml)

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 34 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

oh yeah sure. expanding overtime rights, over the counter birth control, getting rid of junk fees, clarifying the vice presidents role in certifying elections as ministerial, funding infrastructure while simultaneously stimulating energy efficiency and renewables, forcing airlines to refund canceled flights, fighting for loan forgiveness extensively as well as to put a stop to non compete clauses. nothing for the working class though as this does not hit specific things I find important so lets just go worse in all possible ways because thats a solid plan.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 minutes ago

I wish we could take your comment and put it in a bot every time someone says both sides are the same, not for the working class, etc.

[–] IMongoose@lemmy.world 1 points 14 minutes ago

But what have the Romans done for us?

[–] finderscult@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Courts struck down half of that, only two of those things benefit the working class, and you included something Biden explicitly did not accomplish as an achievement.

I know copium is a hell of a drug and you liberals will be overdosing within a year, but do take queues from California and hide your drug habit.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

the courts striking down is exactly why its better to make progress and yes he did still have to work with congress. If in 4 years a dem gets in then 8 years folks will complain that there will be no progress from today but will put a blind eye to having caught back up from the next 4 years of regression. A good example is the biden approved x permit for drilling on lands. lands open to drilling under trump. lands can be protected or taken out of protection but once out the president can't arbitrailly not allow permits.

[–] finderscult@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The president actually can. It's an executive decision.

Biden also opened up lands that Trump didn't, so you really can't use that as an excuse for your far right neoliberal hack.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com -1 points 2 hours ago

Its disengenous. They can and the response would be lawsuits because drilling is allowed and they are playing favorites with one particular company. They can if they have some sort of grounds but doing so for no reason is the type of abuse of power trump does. Allowing more drilling actually came out of the climate reduction act and was a compromise to get the good parts passed, because, you guessed it. Republicans.

[–] random@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

republicans: we will shit on the working class

tankies: omg, dems so bad

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (6 children)

Reps: we will crap on the working class

Dems: we will crap on the working class ✨

Leftists: The Dems don't actually help the working class, both parties derive their power and legitimacy from their donors, wealthy Capitalists. They function as businesses that sell policy to the highest bidder. We need a revolution in order for the people to have a real say.

Liberals: Shut up, tankie!

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 4 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

What or whom exactly is this post for ?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 hours ago

It's leftist agitprop showcasing the failures of the DNC for disaffected liberals.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I think it's for people who are angry that the world isn't getting better by itself while they scroll through memes.

[–] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 17 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That's a great take if you completely ignore that laws are written by congress, and in the last 30 years Democrats have only had both chambers and the executive, by a slim margin for 2 years and a wide margin for 2 years. In those 2 years of a wide margin (Obama) they passed the ACA, which was watered down by republicans because it was the only way to get it to pass because they still didn't have a super majority.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

The Democrats have utterly failed to appeal to workers, and as such fail to bring out the votes. The DNC is a business that sells policy to wealthy Capitalists, it doesn't represent the working class.

[–] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

The Democrats have utterly failed to appeal to workers, and as such fail to bring out the votes. The DNC is a business that sells policy to wealthy Capitalists, it doesn’t represent the working class.

Huh? Did you actually follow the election at all. Trump's solution for the working class was "I'll get you better jobs with more pay" and when asked for specific examples, he couldn't provide anything of substance. But he was fond of talking about how he hated unions and paying overtime during his speeches and talking about killing the ACA. VERY pro worker.

On the flip side Kamala was offering up cutting taxes on the middle class, lowering food prices, expanding the ACA, assistance to first time home buyers, and more assistance around childcare.

I don't know exactly what you think "appeals to workers" but she checked literally every box beyond promising "more pay" without any semblance of a way to do so. Is your idea of "appealing to workers": you just need to lie more?

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

you just need to lie more?

You might be on to something here

[–] daltotron@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

I mean, it's what obama did, and he had a pretty successful series of campaigns. I dunno, gay marriage, legal weed, and the ACA were all of what he did, pretty much, outside of drone striking a shit ton of people and deporting a fuck ton of people, so I think you can pretty much just lie and give out the most sparing, minor of all handouts, and then pretty much people will jump on board.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 hours ago

You're talking about Kamala "means testing" Harris, who paraded around with Liz Cheney, and comparing it to Trump who ran a far-right populist campaign running on ideas like "no tax on tips." Harris failed to run on popular programs like Medicare for All, and Trump did his usual awful schtick while exploiting the fact that Harris had no solid policy.

Neither party represents the workers, they both sell policy to wealthy Capitalists, and that's it.

[–] finderscult@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 hours ago

Everything you listed helps the ~10% of Americans that are still middle class, not the working class. Except lowering food prices which we know she's not even attempt since it would require backstabbing her campaign financiers.

No working class person has delusions of owning a home at this point, that's a pipe dream only the deranged and rich could ever hope for. The ACA is a failure that most people can't afford, we need healthcare reform in totality. Everything you listed sounds like giving money to the rich so peasants can afford the Rich's services.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 24 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

[–] CovertGogurt@lemm.ee 6 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

You work within the system until you can get the change you want. By throwing your hands up you...ugh why even bother.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

If you can't get necessary change by working within the system then you must work outside it and replace it.

[–] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

100% agree with you. But I would counter and say changing it from the outside/replacing it is a last resort as it will lead to complete instability while things get sorted - this is exactly what Putin wants.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 hours ago

The US is the world's main exporter of death and destruction on the Global South, instability in the US would do the majority of the world a massive favor. Putin would probably rejoice, sure, but so would all the nations in the Global South.

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