They'd win elections more frequently, and the collapse of the US Empire would slow just a bit.
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If there is proof that she is a Russian asset, why did the Democrats not oppose here and use legal measures against it?
probably for the same reason they took no measures against trump when they accused him of the same.
What is that reason?
they win.
in 2016 jill stein campaigned on canceling student debt. that was a major part of her platform. in 2020, joe biden included student debt cancelation in his platform, and he won.
Why would that persuade someone living in a swing state that sometimes vote republican and sometimes democrat to vote D?
I think you over estimate how many hard lefts don't bother voting at all because both parties are too similar.
Going more left will cost more votes than they would gain.
I think you underestimate how many don't vote because neither party offers them something worth voting for. A huge percentage of US Americans don't vote, yet polling for progressive policies always polls better.
By going progressive you aren't convincing the rare swing voter, but the massive number of disaffected voters. These aren't far-left, but disenfranchised from the entire system.
But every vote from the center is a vote you deny the other party.
So extreme left/right policies have to be twice as popular to be worth it.
For starters, there are only right and extreme right policies among the Dems and Reps. Secondly, there is a massive pool of disaffected voters that would vote for a lukewarm progressive like Bernie, who was projected to even steal Trump voters, because progressive policy is popular. The Dems ran rightward and lost their voters in general.
How are centrists and "moderates" that pliable if the alternative is escalatingly radicalilizing (the right)?
Every four years Jill Stein emerges from her burrow. If she sees her shadow, it will be four more years of fascism.
You can't vote out fascism, fascism is Capitalism in decay and it doesn't care about electoral politics.
And Trump would have won this time around, even if Jill Stein wouldn't have ran. That's how big his margin was. Dude, he won electoral AND popular vote.
You all need to take a look at yourselves and realize why you lost so bad. It sure as fuck wasn't because of Jill Stein. lol
It's not exactly "us." We don't determine whether Kamala runs with an asinine message like "we're going to hire Republicans" or "I wouldn't do anything different than Biden."
That's her stupidity and I think why so many people sat out the election. As the articles are pointing out, the people that sat out the election were in "safe" states, so they were completely uninspired to vote but knew not voting wouldn't have affected the outcome (except locally which is still stupid.)
Do not compare Bernie Sanders to Jill Stein. Jill Stein is an anti-vaxxer and a Russian spy.
You may as well ask, what would happen if the Democratic party were a different party?
The DNC pulled out all the stops to keep Sanders from the general election, twice. They can absolutely win elections, when they want to block any movement toward the left.
I recommend listening to this: Why the Democratic Party CANNOT and WILL NOT be Reformed
Don't know much about Stein, but most of what I've heard from Sanders sounds like the kind of sanity that the asylum riots to resist. The USA has no Left.
Jill Stein the useful idiot?
You people will eventually need to understand that you're wrong and you're the reason Trump is in office. Hope you figure it out before you're on the wrong end of an open class war.
You people!
Yep! This!!
They'd win. Assuming they invest in messaging and campaigning, instead of whatever the fuck Harris spent a billion on.
i want to believe that the democrats could have won; but they're so good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory that they still would have let trump win again.