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[–] dumples@midwest.social 16 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I know lots of people are really down on this but it seems like people just want change. We all know the system isn't working for most people right now and want something different.

Trump is different. Bad but different. If you have little hope make sense to break everything. If there's a real progressive change candidate people will be excited. Change is what is needed

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

This is something a lot of libs need to understand imo.

You can rail on about how Trump is going to end democracy until the cows come home, it's never going to sway voters. The average person is not doing very well and prospects look really bad for young people and democrats are refusing to acknowledge that things are broken. They are promising the status quo - and the status quo fucking sucks.

[–] dumples@midwest.social 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Agreed. Run on change for the better. Higher minimum wages, universal health care, paid sick time, paid maternity / paternity leave. This will get votes because people want something better in their pocket books. Student loan forgiveness was a great policy to run on. If it wasn't blocked in courts it would have given a huge boost to Biden.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Absolutely. Bernie Sanders is incredibly popular (on both sides) and Joe Rogan actually endorsed him in 2020. All this talk about Joe Rogan winning the election for republicans is hilarious when you think about it.

[–] dumples@midwest.social 1 points 13 hours ago

It is hilarious and sad that Joe Rogan wields so much power. But the point still stands that we need an economic policy to succeed. We need a Bernie Sanders like policy going forward.

[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 30 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

For the people that don't want to scroll a bunch of stupid stories for the answers

comments from the video

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago

Holy fucking shit, people are dumber than I thought. And I already thought they were pretty fucking dumb.

[–] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Did you ever know that you're my hero 🎵🎶

[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 2 points 16 hours ago

🫡

I was overdue to pay it forward

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 22 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Their excuses are baffling. Harris didn't have policy. Okay, but Trump did? He kept walking about "concepts" of a plan, and lying about wanting P25. Trump is for the people? He is hanging out with, like, the national league of assholes and duchebags. "Harris was scary." BUT NAZIS AREN'T!?

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

People were offered center right(D) and extreme right(R).

I voted for least worst harm reduction(D), but would have voted for AND campaigned for extreme left.

To the hopeless, especially the engineered ignorant hopeless, extreme often seems better than the status quo that keeps you in your hopeless state.

Our oligarchs starved public education both to cut their taxes and make their workforce this ignorant. We blame our stooopids for being so stupid, but the owner class that segregates their children into private schools they do fund destroyed public education on purpose, to ensure we can't universally use critical thinking and identify their economic class as the root poison that has destroyed our nation.

The only reason a fascist, extreme right is even allowed and funded by our owners in this country is because fascists love crony market capitalism, the very same reason we aren't ever given a true leftwing option, because whether centrist neoliberal or fascist Republican, they put the market's owners first, and the owners can and do attack any candidates that threaten to reign their power in.

Which is why we're irrevocably boned, and will continue to have the choice of capitalist exploitation with scapegoats(R) and capitalist exploitation with rainbow flags(D) until collapse, as the owners of this system demand capitalist exploitation as this system's primary function, then let us vote on how to address the symptoms it causes, if at all, to make us feel in control.

Reagan was the last chance to maintain any actual control, and we gave it all away for the false promise of golden showers of prosperity in return... one day... just keep making them money... any time now... Just assume it'll be five minutes after your body fails you from laboring for them.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

promise of golden showers of prosperity in return

Trickle down. We got golden showers, just not the kind you’re describing

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 20 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Every single one of those answers is straight out of the mouths of Fox News. If you don't disable open nationwide propaganda broadcasts, you'll never fix the problem.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 17 hours ago

This is the problem. The grievances are largely not legitimate. They are regurgitated outrage of the day. The moment you deal it they are on to the next manufactured outrage.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

There is no counter propaganda. When Trump lied and said that millions of migrants are coming over the border and committing crimes, the democrats turned around and tried to pass a republican border bill.

They could have counter messaged about how 1. millions were not coming across and 2. illegal immigrants are overwhelmingly just regular people who pay taxes and commit less crimes on average than citizens.

Can we please start holding the democrats responsible for their failures instead of blaming literally everything else.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Can we please start holding the democrats responsible

Can we please stop pretending that no one wants that and just making it the only answer every time someone wants someone to stop doing something else shitty? YES I want the democrats to be responsible for for a third party to make it in, but this broken record crap is getting old.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago

Sorry but I don't understand what you're trying to say.

The overwhelming sentiment I've seen on this website is that voters are stupid and should have voted democrat. I'm asking people to focus their energy on what they can actually change. A third party is not realistic. Pressuring the democratic party is hard, but it's not impossible. They caved to pressure and swapped out Biden.

I'm not saying I have the answers, but I know for sure that laughing at how stupid republicans are is counter productive.

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

That would be true if every one of those answers didn't also strongly support AOC, Democrats, or Bernie.

That's the whole point of this exercise. A bunch of deep red voters citing Fox is expected and doesn't tell us anything new. When a bunch of deep vlue voters do that, something is going on.

We normally expect AOC and Bernie supporters to be very Blue. If Fox is resonating with those voters we should really be asking ourselves, "Why?"
Why is it that some Democrats hear Fox News and immediately judge them as naked propaganda while other Democrats give them consideration?

edit: grammar

[–] Taako_Tuesday@lemmy.ca 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

The lesson: some people just like disruption, and equate being against the status quo with being better than the status quo. I think any left-leaning candidate who tries to court these people in the future should tread very carefully.

They care more about the headlines you produce than your policies.

[–] genXgentleman@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I had to stop reading the replies she received; the stupidity made my head hurt. My hatred for humanity is growing by leaps and bounds daily. I think I'll be a full blown misanthrope within 2 or 3 days. It has become crystal clear that we need to pull the weeds out of the gene pool. I'm for instituting a national license program to breed. You may obtain a license if you can pass a test which consist of a common sense section and the civics section of the U.S. naturalization test. 🤨😁

Edit: For the morons that can't tell. This was fucking sarcasm.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well the good news is that the probability of such a program happening has gone up.

The bad news is that you are disqualified if you have all your teeth or any kind of college degree.

[–] genXgentleman@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

That might be very true with incoming administration. 😁

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