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Yesterday, an unexpected admin post was made announcing that hexbear would be shutting down and recreating two of their most popular communities (a): the_dunk_tank and dredge_tank. For those who are not aware, those two are some of the most notorious comms in the threadiverse which routinely cause inter-lemmy drama (disclaimer, the deteriorating relations between our instance and hexbear and my own ban from hexbear was ultimately triggered by various posts in the_dunk_tank)

The stated reason was to promote more thoughtful discussions and to prevent a white cishet mindset which was apparently promoted by the content in those comms, according to the mods and admins.

Within a day 1.3 thousand comments were made with hexbear regulars upset at this decision and discussing within.

However, before this announcement, the top admin of hexbear posted in the cross-lemmy admin matrix chat urging other admins to close down their "drama communities" as well.

Hexbears caught wind of this and quickly accused the admin of duplicity, and having other motives instead of their stated ones. The admin in question as defense admitted that it was their attempt to manipulate other lemmy instance admins and it backfired on them

After a whole day of this, the main admin decided to step away from hexbear (a) , followed by more resignations (a)

In the midst of this, people realize another old-mod had recently come back after a 3-year hiatus, and now people start suspecting some correlation. That mod makes a public post (a) before shortly after deleting their account.

There's also smaller pieces of chaos ongoing, such as one admin, banning one of their alts "as a bit" using wording that they were not aware is misgendering ("fella") which caused other hexbears to pile on. Eventually that was resolved, and admins are asked to tone down the "bit doing" during this heated period.

This "struggle session" is still ongoing, with people are asking the resigned mod to come back , and other admins unbanning accounts which were getting banned left and right(a) but it seems those popular comms still remain shut down.

EDIT: Even lemmygrad is wondering what the hell is going on

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 5 days ago (3 children)

WTF. @CARCOSA@hexbear.net is now suspecting me being behind some sockpuppets because they claim I leaked private messages

By which they mean the screenshot I crossposted in the OP above from their own comm's public comments!. That screenshot was in turn from a discussion in a public matrix chat for lemmy admins.

I am willing to give people the benefit of a doubt, this is some really fucking manipulative behavior and it's pissing me off!

[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 18 points 5 days ago

The plot thickens lmao

They seem to have a really messed up line of reasoning, just the claim that it was all a ploy to manipulate other instance admins was insane

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 7 points 4 days ago

This is the most interesting development. it really exposes their finest member's mind's inner workings:

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Well, time to leak private messages now right!

I'm so glad I'm not federated with hexbear & ml.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (11 children)

Speaking personally, them stating they outright lied to other instance admins is just one step too much. Wielding our collaborative spirit for manipulative purposes just sows distrust, and is downright asocial behaviour. It's so out of line, that I honestly don't believe they actually lied. I think they were being earnest and only claimed they were being manipulative when caught by hexbears to save face. But if not, that's even worse.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 43 points 6 days ago

Thus they lied either way? Either preemptively to other admins or after being caught by their own - so whichever may be worse, it's still lying either way.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 19 points 6 days ago (3 children)

This is the action which made you realize that they are operating in bad faith? Not... gestures wildly

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[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 20 points 6 days ago

I honestly don't believe they actually lied. I think they were being earnest and only claimed they were being manipulative when caught by hexbears to save face.

Having read everything that's been linked here, I'm inclined to believe this.

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[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 85 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

Interestingly, some Hexbear users accused the francophone instance jlai.lu to be authoritarian when it opened a discussion, and a poll for the community to vote about defederating from Hexbear (a final decision has yet to be made).

Then an Hexbear admin unilaterally decided to defederate from jlai.lu claiming it had "reactionary" users and "no effort was made to address this" (no jlai.lu admin was contacted nor prompted about the existence of such users).

Then this happens, again with complete disregard for the community members.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 55 points 6 days ago (11 children)

They did exactly the same thing with Lemmy.nz, threw a shit fit and defederated, after a certain someone made a post suggesting we defederate them.

It was a very "you can't fire me, I quit" thing.

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[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 47 points 6 days ago

Then an Hexbear admin unilaterally decided to defederate from jlai.lu claiming it had "reactionary" users and "no effort was made to address this" (no jlai.lu admin was contacted nor prompted about the existence of such users).

This is funny because it sort of mimics Russian, Chinese or North Korean politics to a degree as well. Everyone's authoritarian, fascists, Nazis - except for them, the beacon of democracy, freedom, and values.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ye, this thing keep happening. I was recently in a discussion where someone was accusing slrpnk of authoritarianism for blocking hexbear immediately and pointing to the various defed threads on hexbear and arguing therefore that hexbear is the example to follow for democratic decision taking.

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 36 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Slrpnk, the instance full of hippies and anarchists, is authoritarian? Lol how do they come up with this shit

It’s so funny coming from Hexbear users who simp for Putin and Xi

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Because they blocked hexbear without a vote apparently.

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 25 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It's interesting that they would accuse anyone if being authoritarian when their own ideology is distinctly authoritarian.

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 70 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I cannot, for the life of me, understand what the appeal of all of this is.

I think it's the same hunger for excitement that makes sports appeal to people, or leads people to create drama at work.

That was a ruse in an attempt to get the other admins to close their drama communities like the ones that harassed vegantheoryclub admins but I did not expect the hexbear sleuths to find that so not only did the ruse fail but I blew up any chance of doing another in the future with other lemmy admins while further alienating hexbear users.

It blows my mind that they thought this would work.

Hexbear users are alienated because they enjoy being annoying. That's it. That's the secret. They can always stop doing that, that's always allowed. Being dishonest isn't great, but there are a lot of people in authority on Lemmy that are dishonest, and it's mostly not a problem.

I also like the implication that it was the unmasking of the ruse that made it not work, instead of the fact that this is the stupidest ruse I've ever heard of.

Eventually that was resolved, and admins are asked to tone down the “bit doing” during this heated period.

Not in general, of course. It's only a problem right now during this heated period. I wonder what some other "bits" are.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I wonder what some other “bits” are.

Like a lot of other insular online communities, the humor has gone through multiple levels of "deep frying" that it becomes almost alien to an ousider looking in.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

One admin there pretty much admitted that their only purpose for interacting with the fediverse is trolling. There is legitimately nothing of value lost by ignoring them.

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 46 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Honestly, this online "revolutionary" shit is really starting to give SLA vibes. When I joined lemmy, I really gave them a chance, even though I'm strictly against authoritarianism of any stripe. I eventually blocked the instance, not because of negative interactions, but because my feed would be filled with their shit talking communities and all the comments were just gigantic emojis. It was just out of control shit posting.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"SLA"? Service Level Agreement?

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Ha, that's like the US version of RAF. Also that name sounds like straight out of Disco Elysium :D

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 20 points 6 days ago

It's a made-up nonsense word, lol. They really were some clowns, too. They were predominantly white, with the exception of one black and one Latino member, but they would try to pretend like they were black by "speaking like black people" because they had taken an AAVE class in college. Deranged behavior.

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[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Tbf the emojis being giant was due to them running a modified version of Lemmy that allowed those but to themselves they appeared smaller (iirc?).

Though I definitely blocked the instance for those other two reasons - the toxicity of interactions and low quality of posts and comments.

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That almost sounds like it's intentionally disruptive to other instances of it is normal size to them, but large to everyone else.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 20 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Nah for most of their history they didn't federated with anyone, and made some custom changes to the software. So when they did federated there were a few issues like that

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago (19 children)

What did everyone have for breakfast this morning? My wife made biscuits and I ate one with butter and fresh strawberry jam. It was delicious.

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[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 9 points 5 days ago (7 children)

I hope the instances burns. I'll never forget Hexbear users threatening my life. Fuck. Them.

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I’m so glad I don’t have to see their BS. Very happy being defederated.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 6 days ago (19 children)

Honestly I think this speaks to the value of having user-level blocking of instances rather than defederation. Maybe one day that will be incorporated into Lemmy (or similar).

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 24 points 6 days ago

The hexbear folks can have their clownshow, just keep it in the clowncar. Sounds like the drivers are tripping balls and the clowncar needs some maintenance.

[–] YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I've been following the drama too. Total misstep from the hexbear admins/mods. I didn't catch that TC69 deleted their account though, kind of a shame because they seemed to really stand up for trans people. I like hexbear, I agree with a lot of their points and like their community. I do not always agree with them, but I respect them in their fight and struggle. It's one of the only places I felt safe talking about my feelings about the recent US election because many people felt similar. I don't post or comment much on hexbear, I really should though. Hexbear did a survey that revealed a significant amount of their users were trans. I did not understand why the mods said white cis het men were the problem and was the majority of their userbase. I am a mixed bi cis latina, I know I do not have a hexbear account but I just wanted to point out that their assessment is wrong. I just hope they can recover from this.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

They seem to have burnt a lot of their regulars with this one. I read two heart wrenching posts from ND people in their comms who were respectively devastated for being banned frivolously, or being stressed about potentially being banned frivolously. And I totally understand it as RSD is a common symptom and most of us are traumatized for being constantly excluded. It's part of the reason why I try to be careful with the banhammer because I know how much it affects ND people.

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[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

I love that for them!

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