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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

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[–] dgerard@awful.systems 19 points 6 days ago (4 children)
[–] istewart@awful.systems 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But Trump can't explain things, and Urbit defies explanation. So does the statement "Trump explains Urbit" represent undefined behavior in English?

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

What is worse? Trump explaining urbit and coming close? Or him explaining it so wrong you feel the need to set the record straight about the gravest misconceptions? ("Trump said Elon invented it, but it actually was Yarvin, also as Elon didnt invent it, he certainly didnt say 'good idea sir' to Trump").

[–] istewart@awful.systems 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think in this case, the equivalent of a compiler error for undefined behavior would be a swiftly forgotten wire story entitled "Trump promotes cryptocurrency project" published on a Friday afternoon. Just one more scam among the flood, and not one that can be offered for easy monthly payments with a banner ad in the margins of an RSBN broadcast.

Yeah, everyone in the traditional media seems to be even more committed to sane-washing than they were in the lead up to the election.

Though the spike doge got today is definitely in the "laugh to avoid screaming" column.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

begins invisible accordion

Then Curtis Marvin, very smart guy, went to MIT like my famous uncle, he said, "but sir, a monad is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors"

Many such cases, I said.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 11 points 5 days ago

masterful endofunctor, sir

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 5 days ago

saltman: no better time to be a startup

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 5 days ago

Have any of the trumps been on the red scare pod yet? Feel like that’s on the timeline.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Another proposal for naming our militia: The Cassandra Division

Our Motto: "Sic diximus vobis"

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)
[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Should've probably posted this earlier, but fuck it: South Korea's ‘4B’ Movement Goes Viral in US After Trump Elected

“4B” is shorthand for a South Korean movement in which women refuse to engage in heterosexual marriage, childbirth, dating, or sex with men. It comes from the words bihon, bichulsan, biyeonae, and bisekseu, all of which start with a Korean prefix for “no.” It originated in 2019 in response to a culture that women felt was patriarchal beyond repair, and has since gained some traction in other countries.

Also, fuck it, quick sidenote:

This is mostly gut instinct, like most of the Trump predictions I've made, but I'm expecting a spike in full-blown misandry over Trump's term. Mainly because Trump managed to win over Gen Z men this election, and because the Trump administration is almost certainly going to town on abortion/women's rights.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Trump managed to win over Gen Z men

…in the sense that more Gen Z men voted for him than in the last election. I am seeing this spin a lot and it honestly seems like a deliberate scapegoating ploy.

The exit poll stats seem to tell a different story.

Data from NBC News considering "key states" (apparently Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas and Wisconsin)

Exit poll result charts, subsection "Age by gender". Men 18-29 (7%): Blue 47%, Red 49%. Men 30-44 (12%): Blue 43%, Red 53%. Men 45-64 (16%): Blue 38%, Red 60%. Men 65+ (12%): Blue 44%, Red 55%. Women 18-29 (7%): Blue 61%, Red 37%. Women 30-44 (12%): Blue 54%, Red 43%. Women 45-64 (19%): Blue 49%, Red 50%. Women 65+ (16%): Blue 54%, Red 45%.

Yes, young men favored Trump. So did all other men (and even Gen X women, if narrowly). Among both genders included in the data, Gen Z was the least likely to vote for Trump and the most likely to vote for Harris.

Granted, these stats are only from the aforementioned states and can't represent the full picture, but they are the only relevant statistics I have seen posted on the matter and the best data I could quickly find. If anyone can show me the data that the darn kids these days are to blame, I'd like to see sime data.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago

Serious data might not be available for months. For comparison, the Pew Research Center didn't come out with their numbers for the 2020 election until June 2021. Who knows? The country might burn down before next summer.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

a spike in full-blown misandry

Misandry as in something equal to misogyny? If so, then I have to disagree, since men have historically been absolute pieces of shit towards women throughout history and misandry has never really manifested significantly.

E: I noticed I have a downvote. Hello to our sole MRA lurker!

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Misandry as a concrete power structure that advantages women and disadvantages men? Unlikely, though with the likely resurgence of active patriarchy we should expect to see the negative consequences this has for men, especially non-normative men. Patriarchal masculinity is a game that necessarily has more losers than winners. I'd go so far as to say that some of the more politically-minded incels and MRAs are going to get even louder because while they blame feminism the actual source of the problems they're feeling is patriarchy.

Misandry as a vague cultural meme about men being terrible and the friction that this causes, particularly for men struggling to find a healthy way to exist under patriarchal masculinity as discussed above? Very likely. At the same time while this won't feel good for men it's worth noting that these men are going to be complaining about losing a game where women are game pieces rather than players, which is pretty crappy. Like a king complaining to a pawn about how cruel it is to only move one square at a time without acknowledging that the entire game revolves around them.

I actually have no idea how to navigate this in a healthy way since I've definitely been on the losing end of patriarchal masculinity in ways that while deeply hurtful are very different in kind even if not in scope from the ways that system hurts women.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago

Misandry as a vague cultural meme about men being terrible and the friction that this causes, particularly for men struggling to find a healthy way to exist under patriarchal masculinity as discussed above?

Looking back, that's definitely the kind of thing I was expecting to spike. I was just too deeply peeved about vaguely gestures at everything to see that clearly.

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