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[–] millie@beehaw.org 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

I've been watching a lot of old 80s and 90s movies recently, and I noticed something starkly different from most of the movies I've seen coming out in the past decade or so, particularly the glut of superhero movies we had for a while there. With very few exceptions, all the protagonists were anti-establishment.

Star Wars, Ghostbusters, the Mario Movie, the Breakfast Club, the Princess Bride, it goes on and on and on. The heroes were all rebelling against some ignorant authority that either didn't understand the damage it was able to do or didn't care about hurting those who had no power. As a result, when I was coming up my generation felt very much against the established status quo. Even the kid-targeted stuff in the early 90s, it was all gross-out humor and struggling against adult authority in favor of personal autonomy. Nickelodeon takes over your school. As a teenager it was grunge and punk and everything being 'extreme'.

The impression I get from a lot of the late 00s and 2010s fictional media, though, and much of what I've seen in the 20s so far, has been stories that are on-side with some big establishment. Even Peter Parker was turned into a suck-up for some billionaire. There are still instances of anti-authoritarianism, but it doesn't seem to be the prevailing narrative the way it was. Instead it largely seems to be about going along with society and not bucking the system.

Maybe what we need, if we want to change things, is to instill that pushing against the establishment in the next generation again. That 70s and 80s era Muppets vibe. Turtles that live in the sewers because if they lived on the surface, the powers that be wouldn't understand them. Otters living in poverty and being exploited by hoity-toity customers who decide not to pay them for their laundry services on Christmas in the first five minutes of the movie.

Did Chris Pratt Mario get into a chase with Koopa cops while fighting a corrupt authoritarian government? No he did not. He was on the side of a social order that was being disrupted by an evil musician.

Artists need to change the narrative and be intentional about it.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Star Wars, Ghostbusters, the Mario Movie, the Breakfast Club, the Princess Bride, it goes on and on and on. The heroes were all rebelling against some ignorant authority that either didn’t understand the damage it was able to do or didn’t care about hurting those who had no power. As a result, when I was coming up my generation felt very much against the established status quo. Even the kid-targeted stuff in the early 90s, it was all gross-out humor and struggling against adult authority in favor of personal autonomy. Nickelodeon takes over your school. As a teenager it was grunge and punk and everything being ‘extreme’.

And what did Gen X get out of it? To be so forgotten as a generation that everybody else thinks we're Boomers!

Ask anybody who's not a Gen Xer to list out the current generations and they will, without fail, say: "Boomers, Millennials, Zoomers, and whatever Alphas are going to turn into"

[–] millie@beehaw.org 1 points 23 minutes ago

Imagine straddling the Gen X/Millennial line. We doubly don't exist.

[–] pbjamm@beehaw.org 1 points 30 minutes ago (1 children)

Get ready for the Tank Girl future of water shortages.

[–] millie@beehaw.org 2 points 23 minutes ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago)

I literally changed my discord profile to a Tank Girl theme hours before Trump was elected when I was still pretty sure it'd be Harris. Yeesh.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 47 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Remember back when climate scientists discovered the ozone layer was thinning and the world banded together and worked to repair the damage we’d done?

I’d like to live in that reality again.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 6 points 9 hours ago

Yeah, i grow up learning about ozone layer hole and acid rain in school, then enter the 21st century and that talk has largely gone. Now i wish the same thing can be done to the climate change, looks like it might lose some steam.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 23 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That was a CFC problem. We now have a DJT problem.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 14 points 13 hours ago

Yes but he's a symptom, not the cause. His 2016 victory was not a fluke.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 23 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It boils down to two main things in that article, possibly one… the Billionaires bought the media knowing full well the power they could wield with it, but more so, dismantling education leads to an easily influenced populace.

The pandemic was a boom for them because it created another “lost generation” and pushed so many educators to hit the breaking point and quit.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves knowing the press is so entwined with the state. The press is supposed to be the check on the state, and somewhere along the line we lost sight of that.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 11 hours ago

My bet is when the equal time law and similar bit the bullet. I think it was Reagan's era but my American history is pretty bad so don't quote me on it.

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 23 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Kamala Harris lost every swing state AND the Senate. We live in the same country we did 4 years ago, we live in the same country that elected Barrack Obama twice.

People are paying 50% more for bread, eggs, and rent, with no relief given, no corporate greed stiffled BEFORE it hit average Americans in the face, and just kept hitting them. The average American doesn't care about economic numbers, they care about whether or not they can pay the rent.

Trump isn't going to make any of this better, he's going to make it ordinates worse. People vote for change, when faced with the inevitability of suffering they'll vote for different, come what may.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 59 minutes ago

We live in the same country we did 4 years ago, we live in the same country that elected Barrack Obama twice.

They elected Obama twice and then stayed home in 2010, ensuring that he would never have the support he needed to pass bills.

Nobody gives a shit about politics. They only care about popularity contests.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 11 hours ago

Our mistake was to think we lived in a better country than we do. Our mistake was to see the joy, the extraordinary balance between idealism and pragmatism, the energy, the generosity, the coalition-building of the Kamala Harris campaign and think that it must triumph over the politics of lies and resentment

Holy fuck the refusal to self-reflect. Was this guy even living in the same reality?

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 7 points 13 hours ago

I wasn't surprised by this outcome in the least. Nobody with any knowledge of this country's history or regular interaction with much of the trash that inhabits it should have been either. If you're still confused, look at the exit poll breakdowns by demographics.