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[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I've seen this meme a couple times in my life, and never understood what "non-orientable" means. The word seems to imply the shape can't be oriented, i.e. rotated in space, which a klein bottle certainly could be right?

Can somebody explain?

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

"Non-orientable surface" is the thing. The surface of that thing is not orientable. That means you can't draw some normal vector to define the surface. When you traverse through the surface with a normal vector you can end up in the same point with that vector pointing the opposite direction in such a surface. That gives two directions for the same point or in other words you can't define the surface like that with a normal vector. Its the surface and not the shape itself that is non-orientable

thanks this is the only answer I understoo!

Thanks to everybody else tho appreciate it

[–] drolex@sopuli.xyz 7 points 9 hours ago

If you follow the surface with your finger, starting from the outside, you can end up on the inside, without traversing the surface. There is only one surface, no concept of outside or inside, contrary to a good old cube for instance.

Similar to a Moebius strip but with a higher dimension. A MS is easier to understand since you can easily make one to try to run your finger on the surface and end up anywhere.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 15 points 21 hours ago

Fair point, you can't take a stance that's too one-sided

[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 25 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

You eat this mandelbrot set right now mister or theres no desert for you!

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago

But infinite recursion hurts my tummy

[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 7 points 23 hours ago

But I'm allergic to almonds and gluten intolerant!

[–] daniyeg@lemmy.ml 10 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

obligatory mention of cliff stoll and his website.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 8 points 21 hours ago

Also obligatory link to the Numberphile video about Cliff's Klein bottles and his crawl-space robot warehouse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k3mVnRlQLU

Also obligatory link to his really fascinating and engaging book about being one of the first people to catch a hacker: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg_(book)

[–] IHawkMike@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

I drink my whiskey straight from the Klein bottle.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wasn't there a paper finding there are four possible klein flask orientations or something?

[–] drolex@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Yeah but it was written on a Möbius strip and we're still not sure where the beginning and where the end was.

ETA: the paper https://people.eecs.berkeley.edu/~sequin/PAPERS/2013_JMA_Klein-bottles.pdf

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 points 20 hours ago
[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 23 hours ago

Marc Blucas?

[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 2 points 23 hours ago

No Klein bottle? Not even a small one?